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Comment by Abomb

oh my god, this will be devastating, flame orb hits a target every 1 second for 15 seconds, now just imagine that those hits are frostbolts that will apply a chill affect which WILL have a chance to freeze the target, hit frostfire orb and then hit either frost bolt of ice lance for a shatter crit which will happen every few seconds

Comment by 371539

Chill effect goes off with only 1/2, apparently. I see it on mobs.

Comment by 102676

I'm surprised noone has mentioned yet the 20% movement debuff to Frostfire Bolt. I have this and Permafrost, and I usually open with Frostfire Bolt when grinding then laugh my ass off spamming Frostbolt at the mob while it crawls towards me with a crippling 70% movement speed debuff.

Comment by 230552

Just a neat note, Flame Orb counts as a frost spell for pretty much everything when you use this talent - for example, Cold Snap will reset Frostfire Orb's cooldown.

Comment by 633171

I HIGHLY recommend this for any frost mage, whether you are onto pvp or pve or both. Here are my experiences with the Frostfire Orb talent:

Firstly this makes pretty good damage when used correctly. Combined with the shatter talent this crits for good damage.

Secondly this can be a useful slow, which will slow the target for 50% (with the permafrost talent). Additionally the 20% extra slow of Frostfire Bolt is always velcome, especially vs melee.

But the damage and the slow is not the reasons why I think any frost mage should have this talent. The Frostfire Orb is namely a huge contributor to Finger's of Frost procs. You may not always be very lucky with your procs, but in general my experience is that this gives alot of procs. It is very, VERY useful.

Have you not tried it you should!

Comment by 353796

Although it's true that it is rare for the instant frostfire bolt's to proc, having it slow the target by 70%! is very noticeable. Especially in battlegrounds like strand of the ancients, when frostbolting with its 50% snare you can cast maybe one more frostbolt on foot before having to start running again because the vehicle still moves quickly out of range. But with frostfire bolt, you will easily notice how it becomes nearly immobile from the 70% slow. This goes the same with melee, it means you have more time to stand frostbolting them before they reach you, instead of running casting your weaker ice lances.

Furthermore, when fighting rogues (or classes with similar snares of this power) and their Crippling Poison is slowing you by 70%, the 70% slow from frostfire bolt is very noticeable, it brings you both to the same speed so you have a chance at running from them if you've used all your cds. It may not be much, but every little bit counts. When picking pvp talents it's between this or reduced mana cost or 1% crit chance. I personally consider increased or new effects to be more potent.

Finally, the frostfire orb part is also invaluable, this talent gives you a brand new snare and increased damage on the orb. The increase in the effect of the frostfire bolt snare is the icing on the cake. Easily worth it for any pvp mage, especially considering the other options.

Comment by 452073

When casting via the cast command, it is /cast Flame Orb

Comment by 646290

I wasn't quite sure if anyone has said this, but you can have 2 frostorbs out at once.

IE: Cast the first one, use cold snap, then cast the 2nd one.

For those who did not know, frostfire orbs can proc Fingers of Frost and Brain Freeze. Each frostorb can hit up to 15 times each, with 2 out that gives u about 30 hits in 15 seconds. And if anyone has played a frost mage; they know that frostfire orb procs fingers of frost and brain freeze a lot; with just one.

With two, you are talking about a whole new world of icelance spamming, frostfire spamming, etc etc. Combine this with icy veins/time warp and you'll be pulling 30k dps with instant single target spells for 15-20 seconds.

Talk about OP.

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Frostfire Orb

Frostfire Orb

Talent

Your Frostfire Orb gains a chill effect, slowing targets damaged by the Frostfire Orb by 40% for 2 sec. In addition, reduces the speed of targets slowed by your Frostfire Bolt's chill effect by an additional 20%.

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Duration

n/a

School

Physical

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n/a

Dispel type

n/a

GCD category

n/a

Cost

None

Range

0 yards (Self)

Cast time

Instant

Cooldown

n/a

GCD

0 seconds

Effect #1

Apply Aura: Modifies Effect #1's Value (3)
Value: -19
PVP Multiplier: 1
Affected Spells:

	Frostfire Bolt

Effect #2

Apply Aura: Overrides Actionbar Spell

	Frostfire Orb

PVP Multiplier: 1
Affected Spells:

	Flame Orb

Flags

Passive spell
Not In Spellbook
Spellcast Override In Spellbook

Frostfire Orb

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