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Comment by 10086

Great for keeping rogues from re-stealthing, since it lasts longer then deep wounds and rend's damage has increased.

Comment by butters

Completely wrong topic, but the way I build up weapon skill is I go to a lowbie place like WC or RFK and just kill mobs in there while spamming hamstring. Since the mobs are such low level you'll be critting like crazy therefore giving you insane rage. The Global cooldown keeps you from getting low rage.

Comment by Hirotoro

What a junk ability. As previous poster said, great for keeping rogues out. But i just use deep wounds. Use this as additional (hardly) damage if you consider it a feasible use of your precious rage.

Comment by 40798

Rend is also useful for activating Blood Frenzy, which would increase all melee damage done to the target by 4%.

Comment by 39142

I found this skill completely useless as both an Arms warrior And a Fury warrior. If I wanted to keep druids and rogues from restealthing, I have deep wounds for that. The skill also does not scale well

Comment by 90829

BUT IF I USE MY MOUSE TO TURN HOW DO I CLICK ON REND?

Use it to keep a rogue from stealthing or someone from CCing you and bandaging. That's about the extent of its usefulness.

I don't know if mangle affects this, but even if it did it'd still be lackluster.

Comment by Hirotoro

I'm axe spec, so my high crit rate (just about 40%) procs deep wounds enough, even against targets with high resilience. I've hardly felt the need to drop the all-important berserker stance simply to rend.

Comment by moonasha

Rend is also useful for leaving someone a present right before they kill you.

Comment by BagOfChips

Contributing to the wrong topic...

I find the easiest way to level up your weapon skill is on the Servent of Alijistar or something in the Blasted lands, south of Nethergarde keep. They hit for around 20, and do not die. They turn into a ghost at about 3% and just stand there.

Here's the mob: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/npc=7670

Comment by 132793

lol guys, Rend is useful for keeping a dot on a foe. Most useful for keeping rogues and cat druids from stealthing. It doesn't need to do a lot of damage. That's what Deep Wounds are for.

Comment by 161777

i suggest using rend on druid s in bear form,prot wars and pally s for obvious reasons and no there is nothing as efective for 10 rage in thet situation

Comment by Runnin

Warrior dots ftw!!! This combined with bloodbath ( WOTLK warr bleed ), deep wounds, and improved rend/truama could possibly add up to some serious Dps especially since a couple classes are getting enrages- like feral druids ( Bleeds ignore their 20k armor 0.o ) and assassination rogues.... on a sidenote don't you love watching rogues vanishing and sprinting away only for your deep wound to kill them? XD...im not good at theorycrafting and we don't know how those bleeds will stack with AP at lv80 and how they will affect the inevitable HP increase at the level also so we will have to wait and see.

Comment by Fugazi

Old Rend vs New Rend

I took my S3/S4 warrior and with following ubuffed stats: 1700 AP, 483 avg. weapon damage.

Old Rend:
Damage: 230 over 21 sec / 403 with 3/3 Imp. Rend
DPS: 11.0 / 19.2
Damage per rage: 23 / 40

New Rend:
Damage: 457 over 15 sec / 686 with 2/2 Bloodletting
DPS: 30.5 / 45.7
Damage per rage: 46 / 69

As you can see without talents new rend do almost x3 better DPS and also x2 more damage per rage. With talents it does x2.5 DPS and over x1.5 damage per rage compared to old.

Of course as nobody is using Imp. Rend now the real comparision should be untalented old Rend vs new talented Rend - in that case new Rend do over x4 more DPS (x16 more if target Enrage) and x3 more damage per rage (x12 if target Enrage). Quite buff isn't?

Actually new rend with new talents have better damage per rage than MS and it will be IWIN skill for bosses and mobs that like to enrage. Now the only thing it lacks is that it does not work in Berserker stance.

Comment by 101346

The buff to this ability makes it get 6 times more of your Weapon Damage, making it scale MUCH better, but the base damage is still pretty pathetic

Comment by 132457

At lvl 80 this ability will probably hit for 1k dmg, 4k enraged. Couple this with improved Rend (+50% dmg) and you got yourself a very effective DoT against other warriors, hunters, druids, rogues, and shammans.

Beta confirms?

Comment by 224850

i love it
combined with imp rend,and trauma
this will do uber damage

not to mention makes battle stance a must when fighting other warriors, to apply 4 times damage when they enrage

Comment by RagnellBB

My Warrior has roughly 1800 ap and I have 2/2 Imp. Rend and 2/2 Trauma, as well as 2/2 Blood Frenzy. On the level 70 training dummies it can tick for above 500. I was bging later and rend was ticking on a prot war for 310ish. I have not extensively tested this, but rend is definitely much, much better than what it used to be.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, my average weapon damage is 457.

Comment by Dimish

This is seariously the only spell you get for dinging 71.... I'm dissapointed :<

Comment by 228334

Okay, here to comment on this improved version of Rend.

The formula for calculating Rend's damage consists of 3 parts.
This is the total damage that will be done without any talents:

1) (Main Hand Weapon's Lowest Damage + Main Hand Weapon's Highest Damage) / 2
+
2) Attack Power / 14 * Main Hand Weapon's Attack Speed
+
3) Base Damage of Rend

To know how much each tick will do, simply take the total damage and divide it by 5. (5 Ticks in total)

To sum it up, part 1 and 2 is your main hand's average damage (weapon and attack power).

So as seen from above, if you have two weapons of the same DPS, use the slower one to maximise the damage from part 1 and 2 of the formula.

Oh, and it ignores armor.

Hope it helps!

Comment by kattib

But if I use mah mouse to turn how will I click Rend?

Comment by 225109

made a warr alt yesterday and using a two-hander i was quite surprised with the new version of rend (restarted WoW pretty recently after i quited before BC came out...that's like 2 years ago? :P)

when fighting multiple mobs, having rend on each mob cuts down their hp drastically while you finish off the main target

one question though,
does rend scale by the weapon on your currently-wielding main hand or does it scale by the weapon when the rend was used?
curious because i'm planning to lvl up with prot build, mostly sword and board, just for fun you know
if it's the latter, i guess another macro will be on my spell bar

thanks in advance

Comment by 252237

The true power of rend, IMO, is not Rend, but it's effect on Overpower with talents. Get Taste for Blood, Improved Overpower, and Unrelenting Assault, Improved Rend, and Trauma. Then, setup the following macro to replace your default rend...

/cast Rend; Rend

Bind that to an easy to access key, then when you have more than one mob your fighting, you can hover over nearby targets and rend them. Then have fun while when you have 3+ targets, you get overpower almost every GCD, and it crits about 75% (with weak gear and no buffs) of the time, kicking in deep wounds like crazy. If used correctly, Rend is now a fun and powerful DPS tool.

If you wanna do even better, bind the above macro to another easy to use key, and replace rend with overpower. Then, you can overpower and rend targets that aren't your main target, getting the benefit of Trauma on them as well (remember, reliable crits with overpower means reliable Trauma).

Rend used to suck, those days are gone. Even the Glyph of Rending, which seems like a weak one if just thinking about it's base effect, is quite good all things considered.

Rend uses main weapon damage, so get a very slow 2H, you're gonna want that anyways for Slam/Overpower/Whirlwind/Cleave. If you ask me, unless DPS is very different, the weapon speed is by far your most important weapon stat.

Also, by using low rage moves like Rend and Overpower more frequently, you will have no rage problems, allowing you to cleave more often, which is always a good thing :).

Edit - One extra note, Rend does higher damage against targets with >90% health, so don't get too excited by the rend damage you do on training dummies. If attacking 2 training dummies, Rend can show up as your #1 damage dealer, but it's not likely to be the case in real combat. Still, it's a very respectable DoT just with it's non-Overpowered damage contribution.

Comment by 261582

try this ability with https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=37659 absolutely beautiful.

Comment by 102674

Just to avoid commentary on all the rend ranks, the damage bonus when the target is above 75% health applies to all ranks of the spell, not just the higher ones

Comment by 261847

Nice dps and stay-outisde-stealth-rogue tool in PvP. In BGs, you can rend all ppl you see. Don't need to kill him, just apply rend and watch him to bleed and get a debuff. Other melees will love it.

Comment by darknesscalls

But if I use my mouse to move, how do I click Rend?

Comment by 195714

Rend = Warchief Rend Blackhand
Maim = Maim Blackhand

Comment by 325248

causing them to bleed for 380 damage plus an additional (based on weapon damage) over 15 sec.

Question: 380 damage instantly and then the DOT or just a DOT?

Comment by 220228

Found rend by mouse, you owe me an internet WoWhead.

Comment by 524616

I have a srs issue with this ability.

I was dpsing in an instance the other day and I had to turn and press Rend at the same time. "No problem," I thought, "I'll use my keyboard and my mouse at the same time like a pro." So I was holding down my A key while clicking Rend... but then Heroic Strike and Overpower lit up at the same time! I quickly moved my mouse over to Overpower and then clicked Heroic Strike since it's off the GCD, but that left me with almost no time to click on Rend! And, because I was so stressed out from clicking my key abilities, I had held down the A key for too long and was facing away from the mobs!

The only possible fix (which I hope is implemented in Cataclysm) is to make Rend proc on attacks so I don't have to click it any more.

Comment by 619547

hehe i h8 rend ;D

Comment by sorsa

Rend on PTR 4.0.1:

- Deals 1 tick of periodic damage instantly upon application.
- Ticks are now capable of critting (no set bonus or talents or glyphs needed).

Comment by Stormpage

It has now instant dmg portion which is fixed value.

My question is can it proc deep wounds in cataclysm mechanics ?

Comment by Baracuda

In MoP they'll remove this wowhead page and no one new will see the funny rend + turning jokes :(

Comment by Thottbot

This is handy for going against rogues, that's about it. The damage is useless, even if you get the highest rank and you max out Improved Rend. It's good against rogues is because when the rend procs it pulls a rogue out of vanish or stealth. Great for keeping rogues from stealthing on you.

Comment by Thottbot

I find this is better for earlier parts of the game and gets worse later on. It's good for chipping away at enemy health while they try to run away, as most run away at a low amount of health that the remaining rend effect can actually kill them. Mostly on Defias and Murlocks. As it progresses, the enemies get strong enough to barely be fazed by a Rend, and some are immune because they don't bleed. By level 60, even a maxed-out Rend ability is negligible, and the rage is better saved or spend on a decent Sunder Armor or something. A decent investment for an early warrior.

Comment by Thottbot

completely useless, the damage is so insignificant its not worth the money to buy. I put 3 points into improved rend which increases it, but i never use it, i'd rather spend the rage on an extra heroic strike.

Comment by Thottbot

I used to use rend all the time and then I decided to take a look at the damge it does, what a stupid ability it is a waste of rage, they gotta change this

Comment by Thottbot

This ability has it's own little use.

As someone above me said, it's good against rogues who likes to stealth.

Well, as for the Rogue part, it only lasts 15 seconds, but, hope the Rogue Vanishes.

It's weak, yes, but it isn't dodged, parried, missed, resisted, once you get the hit in, then the damage is sure to be dealt.

And for the mobs who runs? Don't waste this on them, use Hamstring and strike them down yourself, thats pretty much more reliable.

Comment by Thottbot

useles b4 lvl 22 :)) useful later for vanish braking

Comment by Thottbot

this is an amazing attack if you compare it to heroic strike. sure it does about 30 less damage in the higher lvls (heroic strike does 208 while rend does 184 plus wepon damage) but its instant and it costs 5 less rage. if you took 5 rage away from heroic strike at lvl 70 it would do about 139 damage while rend still uses 10 rage it does at least 50 more damage plus its instant so this ability is actually very rage efficient.

Comment by Thottbot

I assume in the formula for Rend, listed above, that wb = min damage, WB = max damage, WS = Weapon Speed, and AP = Attack Power.

Formula for Rend (rank 2) = list above
Formula for HS (rank 2) = 21 + AP/14 + (WB + wb)/2 (average weapon damage)

Using my lvl 14 Warrior, I have 130 AP. I then pick 3 different lvl 13 weapons - all greens - which are Goblin Screwdriver (dagger), Northern Shortsword (1H sword), and Merc Sword (2H sword).

Then, plugging the formula and the values above into a spreadsheet, I find that:

DAMAGE DAMAGE/Rage Rend vs. HS
WEAPON HS Rend HS Rend Efficiency
Dagger 33.5 33.3 2.23 3.33 149%
1H Sword 41.0 36.4 2.73 3.64 133%
2H Sword 51.0 39.7 3.40 3.97 117%

Using HS (Rank 6) and Rend (Rank 5) - you get both at lvl 40 - along with lvl 42 green weapons and a lvl 42 Warrior with 450 AP, I get more dramatic results, with Rend being roughly 200% efficient (twice as efficient) over Heroic Strike.

Bottom line: Rend is more efficient than HS in terms of damage/rage which is exactly what you would expect from a DoT vs. immediate damage. That said, this is only true if the fight lasts long enough for all of the Rend damage to land. Rend is also good against armored mobs (or PvP players) since it is unmitigated by armor while HS is reduced. Neither Rend nor HS generate rage, but HS generates more threat. The faster the weapon speed and the greater your AP, the better Rend does over HS.

Thus, Rend is not useless, nor does it replace HS since there is no point to spamming the same DoT and it does not generate as much threat. Using a Rend up front in the start of a fight is an effective use of the 10 rage you can get from a Charge. With Improved Rage, the efficiency goes up even more. And, of course, it does wreck havoc with rogues....

I may have screwed up the math, but assuming I have the formulas right, them's the results....

Comment by Thottbot

I sure yes. don't forget that then we will be able to get 20% more damage to bleeded person

Comment by Thottbot

As you will get a ton of rage in pvp thanks to bloodfury or what's it called, charge, damage taking and damage dealing. Together with Deep Wound this makes an useful DoT. I would throw it in, though I wouldn't get imp. rend.

Comment by Thottbot

Yes, the damage on Rend is lame... but it's good against rogues and if you're an arms warrior, you can throw it in yo get your Blood Frenzy activated without scoring a critical hit.

Useful together with Deep Wound, too.

Comment by Thottbot

rend is not useless i know it doesnt do good damage but at least it does damage!
i a 46 warrior and i was fighting a 49 hunter i was wining then he drank a potion and killed me with 2% health before releasing spirit i saw him die from rend!
that was so awesome! i really wanted to see his face when he died.

Comment by Thottbot

Rend is not a bad talent to spend 3 points in, but it is compared to what you can get as something else for example in the fury tree.

Comment by Thottbot

From a PvP perspective, it's good to buy the highest rank of rend so it will last longer when applied. But it's not good to put anything into improved rend when you can just get something more useful. You'd think it would be good for fighting 3+ monsters, because you can apply it to all of them, but if you're by yourself, good luck fighting 3 monsters. And if you aren't by yourself, then it's almost useless since you'll probably have someone with you doing a lot more damage than you, and they'll be needing you to keep the aggro instead of screwin' around. And if you're just with a healer, then it's still useless, because by the time you swing rend on all of them, you might already have 1 monster to half health.

Comment by Thottbot

Most ppl say rend sucks and in some cases it does, but get the imp. rend talent and it wont suck so much. This actually does more dmg than a 1h weap HS if u calculate the dmg reduction from armor, assuming the rend lasts its full duration. and it costs less rage too.

Comment by Thottbot

Rend is good in solo PVE terms especially. I have my Rend and Heroic Strike on 3/4 hotkeys.

I just bam them both at the same time. It works well because it is a rage cheap DOT instant with good overall rage/damage efficency.

Comment by Thottbot

I used to use it alot, I'm now only 19 and the only use I've found for it, is as a last breathe &*!@#slap. A twink rogue is slicing me up, Hamstring/rend/thunderclap/demo shout if I can. Gimping his AP/attack speed/movement speed and preventing him stealthing.
PvE? Next to useless unless its an elite or boss with enough HP to survive long enough for the DoT.
I had hoped, in some naive way that the ImpRend doing +75% bleed dmg would apply to the initial strike as well. Almost doubling the damage would of been nice. But its a lie :(

Comment by Thottbot

Rend is good if you have a Charge/Rend/Berserk-Stance Macro.

Especially if you don't have Tactical Mastery and you just waste the rage anyway.

The extra damage is neglegable but if you are in an AV etc if will really piss that rogue off that he can't just pop back into stealth after whipping your ass.

Also they can't bandage if they for instance get charged, rended, then CC you.

Plus the macro for it will add that 'ittle bit of free damage which isn't bad for a MS Warrior.

Comment by Janrela

Always open your spellbook to click this skill, it makes it deal so much damage

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Rend

Rend	Level 85

10 Rage	Melee Range

Instant cast

Wounds the target causing them to bleed for 529 damage plus an additional [0.25 * 6 * ((Mainhand weapon max base damage + Mainhand weapon min base damage) / 2 + Attack power / 14 * Mainhand weapon base speed)] (based on weapon damage) over 15 sec.

Spell Details

Duration

n/a

School

Physical

Mechanic

Bleeding

Dispel type

n/a

GCD category

Normal

Cost

10 Rage

Range

5 yards (Combat)

Cast time

Instant

Cooldown

n/a

GCD

1.5 seconds

Forms

Battle Stance, Defensive Stance

Effect

Trigger Spell

	Rend

Flags

Is Ability
Cannot be used while shapeshifted
Do Not Sheath
Initiates Combat (Enabled Auto-Attack)
No AutoCast (AI)
Discount Power On Miss
Requires main hand weapon
Taps immediately

Rend

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