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Comment by Bareno

Apparently an new holy pally spell, similar to an mages Evocation.

Comment by 179522

Nice addition !
Paladins will be more strong in both PVP and PVE !
Maybe paladins will stick longer than druids in PVP

Comment by d3nyd

Paladin Evocation. Yes please. Pop DS and hit this in PvP and (unless there's a priest around), you're good to go for a while.

Comment by 162006

Paladins finally get some active mana regeneration. A much-needed buff after the Illumination nerf.

Comment by Vivaldi

On another note, compared to mage's evocation which is 8 seconds, Divine Plea is only 6 seconds for 10% less mana. When time is a factor in arena or pve, that helps a bit. The cooldown is also 3 minutes shorter than evocation, at 5 minutes.

Comment by ketsugi

Given that Divine Shield lasts for 12 seconds, it should be possible to hit DS, use a bandage for 6 seconds, then pop Divine Plea to regain both some health and mana during your bubble. (Bandage first because it's not affected by GCD, but you'll have to time your Divine Plea pretty accurately in order to ensure you get the full 6 seconds' worth).

Comment by 138910

SCORE!

pally evoc ftw

Comment by Axelon9

Using this without divine shield is extremely risky, because it channels and its 25% mana every 3 seconds for 6 seconds, any damage you take will make you lose out on a lot of mana!

Comment by nothingsjim

This spell is similar to https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=34430 (Glimmering Naaru Silver) And just like how much complain Naaru silver has received, i believe this spell will be hardly useful at all as well, although i might be wrong due to combat regeneration system work on Paladin (I am a tree druid)

The majority of complains on this trinket, which i believe is similar to this spell, comes from the fact that you have to channel, aka not healing for 6secs, and there really isn't an encounter in raid where you can stop healing for that long unless your tank outgear the instance, most of late game encounters are like, once you stop healing, the tank die, and healing tank is the main job of a paladin in most of raids, due to their strength in healing is powerful single target healing.

This spell honestly need some change IMHO, but after all, i am a druid and what i said here might be wrong...Who knows

Comment by 193189

this spell is a nice addition for holy pallys its great for raids,soloing, and pvp not so much for 5 man instances since more then likely you will be the only healer and stopping heals for 6 secs can kill your tank although it would be a good idea to say that ur going to use it so the tank can pop there panic button (war shield wall, pally divine protection, druid frenzy rejuv) that can give u enough time to pop this and get back to healing before the tank dies

Comment by 160281

If this is base, my prot pally will be very happy for reduced downtime between pulls :D

Comment by 185310

awesome evocation rip, especially good for healadins & retadins, healadins for obvious reasons, & retadins because we'll have almost no if not very little mana

Comment by 191696

I felt like kissing my World of Warcraft Box that my game came in when I found out about this spell

also requesting a screenshot from beta.

Comment by 25774

but decreases healing done by you by 50%

That only happens for the 10 seconds the spell is working? I sure hope so :)

Comment by Thorgash

It is also noteworthy, that the buff is currently not a magic effect. That means it will not be able to be spell stolen, purged, cleansed etc. in its current form.

Comment by 70784

So any damage will cancel this effect? kinda sux in a PVP setting

Comment by jojopojo64

Build 9014 recently nerfed this spell by reducing all outgoing heals by 100% and increasing the duration of the spell by 5 seconds (so you regen less mana per second). Seems a bit harsh, I wonder if the healing reduction will stick?

Comment by 106589

Well it's still got a 1 min cooldown, so it's incredibly buff in that regard, but removing the option to heal for 15 seconds is pretty rough. Might as well have it be channeled again. Maybe we're supposed to cast Judgement of Wisdom and go melee while this is going.

Comment by 179898

I think that Bliz should add a talent somewhere high up in the Holy Tree to help out holy pallies' healing with this spell:

Talent: Divine Bargaining
Reduces healing penalty of your Divine Plea spell by 10% / 20%.

This would probably be T8 or T9, and could replace highly unused talents like Blessed Life or Purifying Power

Comment by caboom

Looking forward to using this spell as a ret paladin, especially since the recent JoW changes, and since i cannot afford to be using consacration anymore. :)

Comment by 118464

I dont really see this being useful for "between pulls" as many people here keep saying. Gaining back 1/4th your mana bar over 15 seconds isn't that great compared to just sitting down and drink.

I see this skill being extremely useful for mid-fight when you're OOM. This keeps pallies in the fight, especially Protadins who recently had their mana management nerfed back to where it was pre-3.0 :(

Comment by 185181

ya so being a ret pally while lvling i will be using this every minnute because it doesn't take a full minute to run outta mana unless im aoeing or something or all out dpsing for those solo group quests lol

i was really quite mad about the judgments of the wise nerf but i didn't know about this skill so now i am perfectly fine with everything

Comment by 99205

Let's not forget avenging wrath...

Avenging wrath=increases healing and damage done by 20%

divine plea=reduces healing by 20%

cancels each other out, no?

Comment by 264371

Golden ability.

This improves leveling, grinding and general Paladin mechanical progress.

Great for all three tree's and great for both PvP & PvE.

My only single greatest complaint would be that it is an expansion to late!

Comment by 265579

I have enough mana to get me thru a fight, and then I usually just cast this between fights. This is something pallys needed a long time ago.

Comment by 254928

20% less healing done for 15 seconds is a very good tradeoff for 25% of your total mana every minute. I'm a holy paladin and I use this ability whenver I get below 70% (given the situation doesn't call for an 'oh sh!t' situation that requires all the heals i can give).

In any case, if it's an 'oh sh!t' situation we can still use Divine illumination, avenging wrath etc to conserve mana.

Comment by 99379

i find the 20% reduction not a major issue even when the tank is taking a fair ammount of damage i can keep healing through it with this on and Divine Illumination i can refill my mana bar, giving me a longer time healing before i have to use a pot by which time this spell is close to its CD finish

on some heros i run i also use this between a fight so i have less downtime this is a great plus when a warrior is tanking as they can keep their rage bar over 50% letting them get aggro faster

Comment by 242035

Any other mana-user class would give his ass to have this spell.

Comment by Meringue

Sure, if they give up heal variety, aoe healing and spirit, toss em a clone.

Comment by Korasoff

/facepalm

BoSanc is a godsend.

3% mitigation and 2% mana per avoid (dodge parry or block).

:\ gotta be a fool to not use it.

Actually, Kings may be better depending on the content you're fighting. (Prot Warrior point of view.)

The 10% to all stats -- especially Stamina -- vastly outweighs the 3% damage reduction on damage-intensive content that you don't significantly outgear. In other words, if this is the first time your guild does Patchwerk and you're all wearing quest blues, Kings > Sanc.

However, the Rage/RP/Mana returns on Sanc are quite simply terrific when your gear gets significantly better than the content, at which point you can sacrifice the extra HPs/avoidance/mitigation offered by Kings for Sanc's 3% damage reduction and Rage/RP/Mana returns. In this scenario you sacrifice survivability for threat.

Comment by 34534

This simple macro can give ya even more mana (if ya belf) while saving 1 button slot.

#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=60 Divine plea, Arcane torrent

Just 2 clicks every 2 minutes.

Comment by 108239

With the amount of overhealing paladins are doing, the 20% reduction is really minor in comparison to the huge gains. Fully raid buffed with the Nobles Deck procced I have around 30k mana, thus resulting in about 7500 mana returned every 1 to 1.5 minutes.

Comment by Xaldire

With such a short CD, you should always use it if you have anything less than full mana. Excluding Holy pallys that arent totally oom when healing.

Comment by 93842

Is this spells WE cast on ourselves or it is ALL healing we receive from other players as well?

Comment by 138910

Now Reduces all healing done by 50%.

#$%^ you too, Blizzard.

Comment by Siralos

Finally nerfed pally's mana regeneration, it was so OP, no heal spam should be allowed without penalization.

Comment by 194732

Has anyone tested this out yet? If it really hurt our mana regen. or not?

Comment by Tesla101a

I'll test it out tonight. From reading on the forums no one seems to notice the difference, the reason for which is probably two-fold.
1. Paladin heals almost always overheal anyways
2. Paladins (myself, anyways) have avenging wrath on the same macro as Divine Plea to make up for some of the -healing effect every 3 minutes

I think you will find that Holy Paladins will still hit it on every cooldown, because 25% of 25,000 mana every 60 seconds is too insane to pass up, but what may happen is they will cancel it prematurely as soon as significant healing is needed.

IMO Blizzard failed to force this spell into a "decision making" realm. You want Holy Paladins to think before using it? Make it double your casting time of all healing spells instead. 4.0s Holy Light casts? Okay, maybe I won't use it during enrage or when the raid takes AoE damage.

Edit: (2-14-09) After a few Naxxramas runs I've determined there's not much difference with the healing now being at 50%. I still never ran out of mana, but I did find myself using Flash of Light more than I usually do, but also my gear is not stellar, and I don't have any T7 yet. :( I've been thinking of tweaking my Holy Light macro so that if Divine Plea is up, it'll cancel it first. I figure, if the situation calls for healing that Flash of Light + Beacon of Light alone can't provide, then I should probably not mess around with a half-ass Holy Light.

In response to Dilly250515: I meant increase the casting time *instead of* reducing healing done. As it stands, 50% of heals that normally overheal 50% is just enough to top up my tank. The casting time thing would mean we would have to maybe time when we use it, instead of just when it's off cooldown, also if we do need to pop a few heals during it's duration, we only lose heal/second and not heal/second AND heal/mana. If you think about it, half heals or double casting speed are nearly the same thing. It's a trade-off between reaction time and efficiency. I find it challenging and fun to try to time the heals when I know damage is incoming, so they get healed the instant they get damaged. :)

Comment by 116979

I'm gonna spellsteal this so fast, it'll make your head spin.

// Your friendly neighbourhood Mage.

Comment by 222908

funny name because for paladins this is useful but not exaactly a "Divine Plea" as we are very mana efficient healers with the 2 best mana wise heals in the game

Comment by Warnipplez

The mana procs at 11, 8, 5 and 2 seconds left on buff. Be sure to right click it right after a mana pop!

Comment by Blueboy2323

I don't know if this is happening to anyone else but every time I hit something using melee, the spell refreshes back to 14 seconds left. Is this a bug or intentional?

EDIT: Oops, I read the "Guarded by the Light" talent.....I'm an idiot =-S

Comment by 422064

"Since paladins rely less on Spirit as a mana-regeneration stat, we have to address them in other ways. We don’t want to change Illumination or Replenishment. However, we are going to increase the healing penalty on Divine Plea from 20% to 50%. Divine Plea was originally intended to help Protection and Retribution paladins stay full on mana. It should be a decision for Holy paladins, not something that is automatically used every cooldown."

What bugs me is despite saying this, they are nerfing illumination next patch again. Obviously they just wanted an excuse to nerf dp at the time.

Comment by 198894

Ive noticed this whilst tanking on my paladin that the buff seems to refresh it's self i have the glyph of divine plea but it has no mentioning of refreshment of the buff? is this a bugg? can anyone confirm this , thanks

due to relooking my tankadin build ive discovered when you have the talent guarded by the light your swings refresh divine plea

Comment by 253697

You learn this spell at level 71, from a Paladin Trainer.

Comment by nosound

Tier 10 set has a 4-item bonus on tanking set, which increases your dodge chance by 12% for 10 seconds each time you use Divine Plea.
I'm wondering if it will work with Guarded by the Light talent. If so - it will be an almost 100% uptime 12% dodge bonus.

Comment by Omgomgesiuol

Wouldn't be Godly, but would be amazing with the Icecrown debuff.

Although I'm pretty sure I read this was proved to not be the case.. which is a shame because the other tanking 4 piece set bonuses are a lot better than the Paladins 4 piece bonus, although that's a whole different discussion!

EDIT- crappy wording.

Comment by 443617

For a prot paladin,

In a raid setting, once you obtain 4 peices of Tier 10 and you have the Glyph as well as the Talent, this ability gives you a 100% uptime 12% dodge, 3% damage reduction and constant mana regeneration.

Lets not forget 3% damage from Blessing of Sanctuary, 3% from Shield of the Templar, and lets not forget yet another 6% from Improved Righteous Fury.

12% Chance to dodge and 12% damage reduction, before any stats or ratings come into play. This is a HUGE amount for any end-game content.

Perhaps overpowered? Definitely. You will only realize this if you have any other 80 tanks. You cannot gain these kind of stats from any amount of gems or enchants, diminishing returns have huge effect around 31% dodge, and 12% damage reduction would require a massive amount of armor to reproduce.

Comment by 573588

As of patch 4.0.1, this ability grants 10% of mana over 15 seconds, down from 25%.

Comment by 598725

Previously, Tankadins were able to use this in conjunction to sustain their mana pool. I do believe certain things such as weapon swings caused this buff to reset. As of 4.0, I think this talent has been removed. Now, after the 15 sec, this buff is simply gone. Not really sure if this ability is any good anymore. Especially now that Judgements grant tanks 30% mana pool.

Just my thought on the matter. Maybe someone can find the talent that sustains this buff.

Comment by AngelFlavor

Ghost Crawler at Blizzcon said they are making so it will give 3 Holy power too.

Comment by darkthunder

Given how otherwise "useless" this spell has become in 4.0.1+, I'd much rather see it being redesigned to act similarly to the Druid's Innervate spell. Given the fears of Holy Paladins having "too high" mana regen, a solution could be to remake Divine Plea to only work to cast on OTHER players, and have the mana gained (like Innervate), be based on a percentage of the casting Paladins maximum mana pool. In other words, virtually useless to be cast on others by Retri/Prot Paladins.

Holy Paladins are supposed to occasionally be using their Judgement to generate extra mana, much like other healer specs have been redesigned to occasionally cast a "damage" spell, for mana regen (and extra damage).

Comment by shadowaninja

If you're a holy Paladin using this during an encounter, make sure to use it during a time when healing should be at its least demanding.

Comment by martinez93

i still find a use for this as prot by speccing with this and then cancel it for 3holy power and use word of glory with this talent for an shield when needed

Comment by 568287

Major nerf on the Divine plea here. They should have removed the healing penalty, now it's just plain useless during combat. The mana you gain doesn't outweigh the extra mana you waste on 50% heals.

Comment by Zerim

This spell is great for things like the phases on Magmaw when his head is impaled. That's a mana regen period. It's also a good idea to spam Judgment of Insight during this period.
Next patch (4.0.6) will reduce the (de)buff length time to 9s and increase the total mana gained to 12%, which is very nice and will make this better for smaller allowed for periods of regen. When glyphed fpr 6 more %, this'll be a little like the new Innervate in mana regen, but with a shorter CD and with a healing debuff.
Also... At the moment, if you use Auctioneer, be careful. My Auctioneer broke and doesn't let me dispel DP mid-combat :(

Comment by crzy123

Dragon Soul provides many great opportunities for liberal use of plea (at least in normals to my knowledge):
Morchok: black blood phase.
Zonozz: after burn phase.
Yorsajh: when the adds are traveling.
Hagara: during the start of the lightning phase/ any time during ice phase/ when she is stunned (may be dangerous due to focused assault soon after).
Ultraxion: better used earlier than later, especially if using in concert w/ blue buff. Use right before hour of twilight cast for damage-free plea uptime even through special button spam (same goes for potion of concentration channeling).
Warmaster: pop it and hope your raid loves you enough to not stand in shiny charge lines. If it must be used in phase 2 try to fit it in after the drake is dead, before he takes too much damage, and well before he is set to roar.
Spine: during tendon dps downtime. Watch out for those fiery grips, however.
Madness: at the start of each platform.

Comment by Jessrond

A tip for Holy/Ret dual spec pallies -- if you go from holy to ret, don't switch to your ret gear right away. First cast Divine Plea while still in holy gear (ret spec), and then go to Ret gear. You'll get your mana back faster if you're in a rush to pull more mobs/quest more.

Comment by defektunge

Note that you should never combine this with other cooldowns, as you lose out on a lot of the potential of those abilities. It may be tempting to try to "smooth out" your healing, but it's an overall loss of healing done, which in the end is a waste of mana (as you'll have to use more expensive spells to compensate). If there aren't any good "quiet" times during a fight, you can use abilities like Hand of Sacrifice and Divine Protection to buy yourself some time.

An example:
Let's say your heals normally heal for 10 000. Divine Plea reduces that by 50% while Avenging Wrath increases it by 20%.
If you use Avenging Wrath on its own, you get 2000 more healing per spell.
If you use Avenging Wrath with Divine Plea, you get 10000*0.5*0.2 = 1000 more healing per spell.

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Divine Plea

Divine Plea

Instant	2 min cooldown

You gain 12% of your total mana over 9 sec, but the amount healed by your healing spells is reduced by 50%.

Shield of the Templar
Grants a charge of Holy Power

Grants a charge of Holy Power

Grants a charge of Holy Power

Buff

Divine Plea	Magic

Gaining 12% of total mana.
Healing spells reduced by 50%.
9 seconds remaining

Spell Details

Duration

9 seconds

School

Holy

Mechanic

n/a

Dispel type

Magic

GCD category

Normal

Cost

None

Range

0 yards (Self)

Cast time

Instant

Cooldown

2 minutes

GCD

1.5 seconds

Effect #1

Apply Aura: Mod Total Power Regen % (Mana)
Value: 5% every 3 seconds
PVP Multiplier: 1

Effect #2

Apply Aura: Modifies Damage/Healing Done
Value: -49%
PVP Multiplier: 1
Affected Spells:

	Holy Light		Flash of Light		Holy Radiance
	Word of Glory		Divine Light		Light of Dawn

Effect #3

Give Power (Holy Power)
Value: 1
PVP Multiplier: 1

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Divine Plea

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