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Comment by zdog294

Finnally priests get a ligitement AoE!

Comment by 22744

Mind Sear: Channles over 5 seconds: every tick should recive 33.3% of your spell damage, just like MF.

Follow me on this
AoE capable tank pulls 7 target,
You target and cast a VT on each 1.
VT1= 1.5 sec total cast time: 15 seconds remaining
VT2= 3 sec TCT: 13.5 seconds remain
VT3= 4.5 : 12
VT4= 6 : 10.5
VT5= 7.5 : 9
VT6= 9 : 7.5
VT7= 10.5 : 6
Immediately cast this on your current target after 7th VT and VIOLA:
Tons of AoE damage and a "Shower of Mana"

Ofc this involves almost no latency... but it can be done with at least 3 targets even.

Comment by 22744

A little more theorycrafting here:
@lv60 10 spell haste = 1% faster casting
@lv70 15.76 haste = 1% faster casting
@lv80 17.69 haste = 1% faster casting
Vaules dervied using
level + 12
base ----------
52
where base = 10, and lvl = 80
From Wowwiki's Combat Rating System

So... @lv80 with 885 spell haste which reduces GCD to 1 second
VT becomes: 1 sec cast
MS becomes: 3.3333 sec channled
Meaning you debuff up to 11 targets with VT and MS the last target and still have .6secs afterwards to pop Dispersion becasue you, my friend, have just pulled aggro :P

Comment by 177040

The jump from 70-80 is not going to change things that much as 60-70 did but consider the +shadow damage and a bit of mana return if you VT a cuple of targets in the area.

Comment by Delamos

This skill will cost about 2.1k mana after focused mind at lvl 3

Comment by DSitC

You have to realize, that this is an AE that is both mobile and does not require you to move with it.

This produces quite an unique and usefull spell. Blizzard and other similar handles AEs don't always hit their targets for the full duration because they move. Arcane Explosion will do that trick (if you move, that is) but puts you into the fray.

Comment by 149470

Bear in mind that Shadow Focus and Focused Mind will reduce the mana cost by 21%, so the mana cost as of this incarnation of the spell will be more like 2200 at 80. Mana regeneration and maximum mana will have appropriately scaled up.

Indeed, it is good that the mana cost is so high -- that means it's balanced to perform its function as an AOE instead of being tuned to do the same to one target as it does to many. Thus, Mind Flay is not obviated, and it is more prudent to use AOE spells when appropriate, as opposed to all the time.

So, assume Mind Sear will be doing ~900 damage a tick (It is not uncommon in BC for Mind Flay to do 6x the tooltip's damage) and you've got VT on 5 different mobs. One Mind Sear on those 5 mobs returns approximately 400 mana. You may see that the mana cost is not so outrageous -- it's just a way to ensure that AOE remains AOE.

Comment by 181605

Heres one thing u may not of thought of with mind sear which makes mind sear so much more impressive.

Inner focus + mind sear.

Yes your ticks will have about 50% chance to crit, yes its free mana cost.

I hope that realisation makes the rest of us SP's feel a little better with us not getting much love from Blizz :) It made me smile :)

Comment by 181605

mind sear is able to crit.

Read on the wow wotlk forums under priest discussion.

:)

Comment by 182512

By the looks of the wording of the spell, isn't it so that it places a debuff on the target, which damages surrounding mobs?

It seems a bit like the Arcane Protectors on the way to Curator in Karazhan, which cause a member in your raid to become a living bomb.

If so, it could be that the damage is not counted as "dealt by you", which would make it ignore VE/VT. From what I read up on shadowpriest.com, VE works on targets being damaged by it, but VT does not. So, no mana back for us.
Current SP beta-testers flagged this as a bug, but I think it is intended.

Also, if I could cast it on my pally tank and cause a shadowy inferno of death around her, I would be happy. Right now it is only useful to AoE down everything around a single sheep/shackle target. Else the unaffected mob simply runs up to you and kills you. Since Mind Sear does not have a snare component, I can see that happening anyway. (Just check youtube for the mind sear video with the penguins, that's what it will be like).

In short:

* No mana back;
* One target unaffected;
* No snare component;
* Expensive to cast for its damage even with bigger manapools and cost reductions;
* At least useful with IF and able to crit.

Situationally useful, but not something to be praising the Light for.

Comment by sinaraine

now imagine what impact Vampiric Embrace and Vampriric Touch would have on this, if used on a group of mobs (like the dragonhawks in ZA, or trash mobs before moroes in Khara)

(a sudden burst of mana regen)

Comment by Pogmahon

How practical will it be to get VE up on all the mobs that need AOE?

First of all most a AOE mobs do not have that much health. They die quickly.

VE is a 1.5 second cast. So if you are talking 5 mobs it will be 7.5 seconds, then you cast Mind Sear which takes 5 seconds of channeling.

12.5 seconds to get the full damage. That is basically an eternity for aoe encounters. One mage or lock will have them down way before VE can provide the insane mana regen.

Comment by Aldones

Best type of spell they could have given spriests...we'll finally have an aoe.

Comment by 38633

"In addition to this change, we also needed to address the "mana battery" roles in a raid. The mana regeneration effect they grant is no longer limited to their own party, and it no longer depends on the amount of damage they deal. Each time they trigger the mana regeneration effect, 10 people in their raid group will receive a buff which causes them to regenerate 0.5% of their maximum mana each second. This buff, Replenishment, will be given preferentially to raid members with the lowest mana, but will re-evaluate which raid members receive it each time it is fired. Replenishment is provided by Shadow Priests, Survival Hunters, and Retribution Paladins."

Source: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336795321&sid=1

My shadow priest will now be officially parked as VT+Mind Sear = little/no reward.

Comment by Joetest

You won't get any mana from applying VT to multiple targets then simply Mind Searing them all, Replenish is triggered from Mind Blast 'only'.

It's then more practical to just Mind Sear or at most apply Shadow Word: Pain to the mobs to buffer threat time, assuming threat is an issue at all.

Comment by 227717

night elf icon lolz there are no night elf shadowpriests i guess that icon is a victim of mind sear not casting it

Comment by 167903

I always dreamed of having a night elf head as a spell icon.

Comment by 199148

Hmm, could someone enlighten me as to whether or not mind sear actually damages your target, or just those around. Thanks.

Comment by 241456

Just me or is the mana cost on this spell a little high? It kinda cost around 2k mana...

Comment by trademen

*sigh* While it is nice to have at least one aoe...the mana cost makes it absolutly useless. The only possible situation where this would be useful would be...when you have a ton of mana and about 20 normal mobs around you...as long as you have a tank, cause in real life if you have enough mobs on you for this spell to be worth it your pw:s should not last long enough to get it off in full.

Comment by sildani

This spell is simply lovely.

While soloing this spell is excellent for grinding. Cast PW:S, quickly mount up and grab a ton of mobs a few levels below you (similar to Mage Blizzard AOE tactic) then load a target with all our DoTs (VT/DP/SW:P), cast VE for health, cast MB to get Replenishment and then cast Mind Sear (instead of Mind Flay, persumably); once your target dies, repeat with the next (your cooldowns should be up). PW:S + GH to bring yourself back up if necessary. Use Dispersion if you get in a bind. Took a little practice, but at 75, I was able to grind out Level 72 mobs in Dragonblight this way effectively, yielding the highest XP/hour thus far for me, drinking after every couple mass pulls.

Comes in handy in situationally, too (unexpected adds, unelite AOEable mobs in instances).

I'm not about to AoE grind up to 80 because I love the questing in this expansion, but yeah, this is a great spell, makes the Shadow Priest a lot of fun!

Comment by gazom

some tips about this spell.....
1-it will not harm the target,only the creatures near him.

2-it will NOT break the shadow form.

3-it benefits from some shadow talents ex:Darkness

4-this spell CAN crit.

5-this spell will process shadow weaving talent.

correct me if am wrong.. :D

Comment by 202569

very useful in those boss fights where adds come and only one is an golden. the nerub gate keeper fight where he calls the little bugs tar him and adds down when they get to you. in the zul drak instance where you fight the frost summoner guy and mobs pour down the steps wait for the golden one and slap this on him

u gain no threat on him and the mobs coming down the stairs die as well because it moves with the monster unlike any other aoe spell. can even be used in small confines where you fear and they run in that small space like i said

it moves with your target so thats cool.

Comment by danton83

This spell also works well in pvp not to many people know what it is yet and when they see they're targeted they run to their healer or usually in a group with others. This is a fun nasty little spell with spell haste!

Comment by 90572

You should only use this spell if there are more than 3 mobs.

- The mob targeted does not take damage from the spell.

- If there are only 2 mobs you are better off using mindflay instead (as only 1 mob will take dmg and for an amount less then mindflay for over double the mana)

Comment by 273139

Mind sear helps the spriest in a few key ways, but there is a trick to AOE grinding on the priest and mind sear is a new component of it, but its damage being much less than blizzard gives you better results if you do the following.

1. Shield up, buff and get ready for the pull.
2. Immediately dot pain on everything you see. Kite back.
3. On your +final+ target dot VE, VT, Devouring plauge and pain
4. At this point, bring your shield back up. Fire MB into your last mob
5. Now, fire mind sear into your last mob.
6. Cycle back around with mindflay on your group to refresh pain if you can
7. Fire off mind sear again.

To extend the number of mobs you can take, dot VE when you can or use devouring plague (it will heal you for 15% of the damage it causes). However, the key to grinding effectively as an Spriest is to realize that Pain is an instant-cast spell yielding 768 damage over 18 seconds, or 43 damage per sec. so when you fire off mindsear with the pain dot progressing, you will hit 230 damage per second on ea. mob. Haste helps you to get your dots out there on everyone very quickly and its an art form to hit everyone again with mindflay but if you do it this way, you'll match the results of Mage AOE grinding.

Hope it helps!

Comment by 283434

Does this spell cause anyone else's framerate to fall through the floor?

I play a rogue, and in any of our raids that have a shadowpriest casting this while I'm stood in melee range just drops my framerate from about 50 to 2....

It's the only spell in the game which does this, and I'd hate to have to drop my spell detail settings everytime I raid with a spriest :grrr:

Comment by 327247

The fact that the spell does not hurt the target makes it somewhat unique amongst aoe spells. We can use it around a cc mob as long as we target that mob. Everything around it dies while we have the joy of not hurting it.

Comment by 254148

does anyone know the threat mechanics for this spell? i often notice when i'm casting it in a large group that the target i'm casting on will aggro onto me before any of the targets actually taking damage. is there some spash to the threat?

Comment by Mairin

One semi-interesting use I've found for this is in Wintergrasp when attacking the fortress and the opposition has a notable number of people LoSing behind the turret platforms since casting this on the gun instead frequently hits almost all of them. Even when the guns are down, enemy players still try and snipe from the platforms and if you can get a lock on one of them (or even a pet that they unintentionally left exposed) with MS it's "beam weapon" mechanic means when they retreat back into the pack you're still hitting them all through the wall.

Comment by Sandeer

This is great when certain bosses summon adds or adds come when you're fighting a boss. Mind Sear does a nice amount of damage so killing adds with it shouldn't be too hard. Watch out for your threat though. Too bad it can't be used on friendly targets, then you could use it on the tank in instances.

Comment by 149470

Start a duel with a party member and spam Mind Sear on them as he or she runs around. That way, all the real enemies get hit, and the party member essentially becomes a moving, controllable AOE, even through walls.

Comment by 419930

this looks perfect for dungons/raids but the 1st place i though of when i notieced it was a AOE...lol... was VH simple put it on the target eeryone in attacking and therefore u do about 1k damage to all the guys around the one that will die nomater what ...am i wrong

Comment by Cloudchaser

When I first saw this spell used, I quickly dubbed it "Shadowpee."

(actually, I called it something else, but Wowhead's language filter censors out the word that would rhyme with "shadowhiss")

Comment by coderj

Mind Sear is a great spell for grinding as well as trash in Heroic dungeons (as well as mid-road WotLK runs).

For grinding, do like the mages do; get on your ground mount and round up a lot of mobs. Pick the contestant with the most HP and pop DoTs (VT/DP/SW:P), pop PW:S, and then sear away. Excellent for grinding out pre-WotLK rep or for farming areas for massive return in gold on the AH.

For dungeon/heroic/raids, this spell is a godsend. Simply wait for the tank to grab his/her aggro, then DoT up your target. MB the target (Replenishment for the win) then sear away. Between dps from other group members, refreshing replenishment, and the sear a decent sized pull can be wiped from creation within about a minute. Just make sure to Fade when possible as threat generation is insane.... even with Shadow Affinity. It's possible between all of this to even top that pesky warlock on the Recount meter ;).

Couple of caveats I've noticed (and mistakes I've seen others make).... first off, Mind Sear does not work with VE (read the text, VE only works for single target shadow damage... multiple SW:P casts will work, but Mind Sear is definitely out). Second is, and this is important, let the tank finish aggro pull before starting this chain! I watched a heroic run wipe early because the other shadow priest decided to start early... and managed to pull 10 mobs in addition to the first 3 the tank had; not a good tactic so be in the habit of being patient. Also, watch the cc; if the mage sheeps or roots a mob, that's the sear center... don't DoT just sear; you're asking for a kick if you keep breaking the cc (especially since the cc'd mob is probably a fear/mc casting one).

Comment by 611648

"28% of base mana 30 yd range
Instant cast"
Many of you talk about chanelled, but i can't see it mentioned here.

Or has Blizz changed it?
And does this mean you can have it on many targets at the same time, like living bomb?

Comment by Sumona

Not sure you can duel a party member inside instances or raids..

"You aren't allowed to duel here"

It would be funny if that was implemented all because of this spell. xD

But if it's outside raids and such, like Argent Tournament Dailies, it would work perfect!

Comment by tonydizzle

4.0.6 PTR Patch notes:

Mind Sear: Causes an explosion of shadow magic around the ~~enemy~~ target, causing 91146 to 97158 Shadow damage every 1 sec for 5 sec to all enemies within 10 yards around the target.

Does this mean you will finally be able to target the tank and have it deal AoE damage to everything? Even if not it is getting a 50% damage buff. Suweet!

Comment by midnightstar

From the 4.0.6 patch notes:
"Mind Sear can now be channeled on friendly targets in addition to enemy targets. In addition, Mind Sear's damage has been increased by roughly 15%."
So now you can just throw it on the tank.

Why a downrate on facts? Do not understand.

Comment by 733831

Just thought it'd be good to mention the following, since its not been said here yet:

Because it is coded as a 'damage over time' effect (like Mind Flay), Mind Sear's damage is boosted by both Empowered Shadows (our Mastery's secondary benefit) as well as Evangelism. This can potentially boost MS's damage by 20% or more, and it scales with Mastery.

This doesn't make MS awesome however. If anything, you need both ES and 5 x Evangelism active in order for MS's damage to be barely comparable to the AOE of other classes. And with ES and Evangelism lasting only 15 and 20 seconds respectively, keeping both up when you need to chain-cast MS will be quite a chore.

Recommend putting SW:Pain on several targets early to keep orbs proccing while you're chain casting MS. A quick MB/MS and a tick of mindflay should refresh both ES and Evangelism. Still very troublesome though.

Comment by 339853

As of 4.06, you can now target friendlies with this:

"Mind Sear can now be channeled on friendly targets in addition to enemy targets. In addition, Mind Sear's damage has been increased by roughly 15%."

So instead of targeting the sheep, target the tank and nuke everything clustered around him. Great buff!

Can anyone confirm whether you can target yourself to AoE farm? (With SF and Bubble up of course)

Comment by 786367

Cast shadowfiend
Target fiend
Mind sear
Profit

Comment by aggixx

As of current 4.1 PTR notes, Mind Sear damage has been doubled, on top of the 15% increase that was included in 4.0.6:

Mind Sear damage has been doubled.

Comment by 629499

It says it's a periodically trigger spell. Would that mean, just like single-target periodic spells, it will have no limit of targets till it starts decreasing damage? (10 i think) And does that also mean that it will trigger the heal from vampiric embrace?

Comment by 491037

I just tested mindsear's increased damage on the 4.1 patch... something new (bug?) is that when cast on a hostile mob, mind sear WILL damage that mob. It never used to, so you AoE a whole pack without having to unleash some DP/SWD on the last mob.

As I said, this isn't mentioned in the patch notes so it could be a bug that gets hotfixed.

I've not tried it on a friendly mob (i.e. casting on the tank) but I doubt it would damage the mob

Comment by Vaugn

Interesting. As of 4.1, Mind Sear is now damaging its own (enemy) target as well as all enemies around it.

They have also fixed the bug in which you can target yourself with mind sear, which gave you the buff but did not channel and did not do any damage to nearby enemies. You can no longer cast mind sear on yourself (bummer).

Comment by neeso984

As of Patch 4.1: Mind Sear damage has been doubled.

This was a very needed upgrade, our AoE output with this ability was pretty low.

IMO I still feel that it needs a little more work, but currently you can target an ally player and cast it so the AoE effect is radiating from him/her. Very cool but I feel that since it is our only source of AoE it should be more fine tuned as a true AoE.

Comment by Foetsjie

Can be cast on party members, so for PvE you can cast it on the tank if you want to do dmg to all targets.

Comment by 226008

Can also be cast on Vargoth, should you need an anchor in a sticky situation.

Comment by Odaxis

/run SendChatMessage("Shadow Priests" .. GetSpellLink("48045") .. ". can indeed be cast on Me, The tank.. Please stop casting it on mobs.", "PARTY")

Tank Macro for scrub Shadow Priests who don't know how to use the ability.

Change the "PARTY" to either "SAY" or "RAID" if needed.

Comment by Iroared

Apparently this has a level requirement when used on friendly targets. I just randomly tried to mind sear an npc 20 levels below me, and was told "Target is too low level". Pretty unusal for an offensive spell >.>

Comment by Beace

This spell is pure awesomeness for leveling. When I can, I dot up 3-6 enemies nearby, wait for them to reach me, shield myself, and then do mind sear. This kills stuff so much faster than normal multi-dotting.

If the shield runs out and you're getting worried about dmg taken, use dispersion while waiting for shield cd to come up again.

Comment by 933283

Random technical stuffs:

1) Mind Sear is affected by Empowered Shadow, but not by Evangelism.
2) Possibly a bug: If cast on allies, it won't activate any of random trinket effects no matter how much enemies you've damaged with it.

Comment by 1009266

Very useful macros for use Mind Sear
/cast Mind Sear
Button allows spamming magic Mind Sear and not afraid to interrupt the cast. As a result, you save mana and simplify your game :)

And here is an alternative macro, unlike the first, this macro saves the tooltip of magic.
#showtooltip Mind Sear; Mind Sear
/cast Mind Sear

Comment by pekira

You need to be 75 in Wrath Classic

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Mind Sear

Mind Sear	Level 85

28% of base mana	35 yd range

Channeled (5 sec cast)

Causes an explosion of shadow magic around the target, causing 237 Shadow damage every 1 sec for 5 sec to all enemies within 10 yards around the target.

Buff

Mind Sear

Causing shadow damage to all targets within 10 yards.
5 seconds remaining

Spell Details

Duration

5 seconds

School

Shadow

Mechanic

n/a

Dispel type

n/a

GCD category

Normal

Cost

28% of base mana

Range

35 yards (Medium-Long)

Cast time

Channeled

Cooldown

n/a

GCD

1.5 seconds

Effect

Apply Aura: Periodically trigger spell
Value: 2 every 1 second
PVP Multiplier: 1

	Mind Sear

Flags

Cannot be used while shapeshifted
Track Target in Cast (Player Only)
Channeled
All spell effects are harmful
Does not require shapeshift
Spell Haste Affects Periodic
Taps immediately
Haste Affects Duration

Mind Sear

Buff

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