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Comment by 396

For a T2/T2.5 geared warlock, this talent, with the Felguard out, gave about a hundred spell damage. For a 3 points investment, it seems well worth it!

Comment by 8506

This talent is very useful for any warlock and is better with either imp or felguard out. on my warlock he is geared out in T2 he has about 150 more spell power. this talent is something every lock should go for if specing in the demo tree

Comment by 8888_

When going through this talent spec, this increases your damage even after gimping it a little.

By taking survival (Soul Link), you lose damage output. This attempts to increase it again.

In the expansion, Soul Link is a 20% Damage Reduction and *new* 5% increase in all damage done.

Comment by frmorrison

This gives me about 110 spell damage at level 70, and I find it very hard to believe a level 60 got 120 damage, especially since my gear and pet have more int/stam than anyone had at 60.

Comment by frmorrison

At level 70, my felguard gives me 120 spell damage and about 100 spell damage if I don't have any gear on.

The FG gets 57% of your +damage, so that talent also gives my FG 68 attack power.

Comment by EvilElpay

I have 1030 spell damage without this talent. This of course is mandatory for a demonology warlock as it will increase your spell damage dramatically, but for those with hybrid specs stick with the tier 6 talents like shadow mastery. Most people will assume that 3 points for more spell damage is a wise investment. Unfortunately it doesn't make as large of an impact the straight 6% percent 3 points in shadow mastery would give.

You must factor in all of the coefficents for spell damage warlocks recieve. 200 spell damage does not mean 200 dps. In fact, in most cases for a warlock it won't mean 67 dps.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Spell_Damage_Coefficients#Warlock_Coefficients

You also have to think of the base spell damage of the spell. The bonus spell damage will not increase it's damage but the flat 6% from shadow mastery will.

Now of course we are comparing apples to oranges. Depending on your gear you will get different results. As well geared as I am I would need my pet's stam and int total to be about 300 higher to change back into this talent.

If you have all blue 70 gear or better and you have a hybrid spec around 30/31/0 or 0/31/30, save yourself all of the math and time and take my advice. Even though it is a tier 6 talent vs a tier 7 talent, stick with the Shadow Mastery and the Emberstorm talents over Demonic Knoledge as it will greatly effect your damage output.

Comment by Carighan

As Evil already hinted, this talent while being amazing for a Demonology-Warlock is of less use than one might think at first.
It gives you more raw power, but the +10% talents are superior, and in the pure Demo-specs you lack the additional talent-spells to be able to get full use out of this spelldamage.

Nontheless, for Demonology an absolute must-have - no discussion.
(always remember to un-Phase your Imp after summoning before the buffs hit, and try to get a Greater Blessing of Kings on him, it'll be truckloads extra)

Comment by 117639

An Imp?

At level 70, the bonus for a completely nude character is as follows:
Pet Spell Damage

Imp: 96
Voidwalker: 71
Succubus: 82
Felhunter: 133
Felguard: 82

(Ref: http://www.wowwiki.com/Demonic_Knowledge#Notes)

Discuss.

Hmm... after trying it myself, and being completely naked. At 70, my imp gives me... 81 (which is odd, because it jumps from 0, 56, 74, 81. More or less those numbers.)
And my felhunter is only giving me about... 69, after jumping from 65, and now it's back at 69.

Possibly it's bloodpact, that extra +stam that adds to it, since this talent works with stam.

(Ugh.. 200g. Talent price scaling ftw. :D)

Comment by 195614

If you want to put in values for Stamina and Intellect in your gear on how much spell power you'd get (assuming spell power = 1), this would be the math (I would think, correct me if I'm wrong. Used Felguard as example pet)

1 Stamina = Demonic Embrace * Kings * 75% of Stamina goes to minion * Fel Vitality * Kings on minion * Demonic Knowledge = 1.1 * 1.1 * 0.75 * 1.15 * 1.1 * 0.12 = 0.1377585 Spell Power

1 Intellect = Kings * 30% of Intellect goes to minion * Fel Vitality * Kings on minion * Demonic Knowledge = 1.1 * 0.30 * 1.15 * 1.1 * 0.12 = 0.050094 Spell Power

Comment by Thottbot

15% of demon sta+int. I mostly use my VW to get the sacrifice shield and then insta-summon an appropriate demon at tricky situations. He has about 4000HP and 2500MP which gives about 0.15*(400sta+170int) = 0.15*570= 85.5 dmg+

Comment by Thottbot

Does this apply even if you use "Demonic Sacrifice" on your Demon?
Or does the "your Active Demon" mean he has to be alive?

Comment by Thottbot

he must be active so that means he must live and not be stunned/gouged or something like that so it doesnt work

Comment by Thottbot

Is the plus damage affected by the spell coefficient or would it give 84 damage to all spells?

Comment by Thottbot

lol funny icon

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Demonic Knowledge

Demonic Knowledge

Talent

Increases your spell damage by an amount equal to 12% of the total of your active demon's Stamina plus Intellect.

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Physical

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0 yards (Self)

Cast time

Instant

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0 seconds

Effect

Apply Aura: Dummy
Value: 13
PVP Multiplier: 1
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Affected Spells:

Tamed Pet Passive (DND)	Tamed Pet Passive (DND)	Tamed Pet Passive (DND)
Tamed Pet Passive (DND)	Tamed Pet Passive (DND)	Tamed Pet Passive (DND)
Tamed Pet Passive (DND)

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