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Comment by 3493

And here I was thinking that I told my pet to kill when i sent it in to fight...damn maybe i told it to cuddle, glad this spell is here to clear up the confusion.

Comment by 19116

Does the kill command damage count aggro towards you or your pet? I am a hard time determining which.

Comment by 34240

If your looking for a good macro to free up some button space, try this one. It combines pet attack, hunters mark and kill command in 1 button.

/petattack
/petdefensive
/castsequence reset=combat/target Hunter's Mark, kill command, kill command, kill command, kill command

It basically sends your pet in, puts in defensive stance (maybe remove that for instances) and casts hunters mark. Subsequent presses of the button will issue a kill command. Careful not to spam it as you will reset back to hunters mark. If you kill the mob/change target, it will reset back to hunters mark. This can happen quite easily as you have to wait for the global cooldown before the command is issued, so keep an eye on the icon before you press.

Great for soloing but use cautiously in instances.

Comment by 27639

does this scale with AP as well?

Comment by 58637

As of now i am a Draenei Hunter lv 43; 31/0/3 going BM spec i was wondering if there are any other BM hunters who care to tell me if i should invest two talent points to Focus Fire or if i should move it to some where else like thick hide, or aspect of the hawk.

Comment by Rockfall

I'm assuming that it means that the kill command will no cause the pet to strike its current target, rather than the hunter's target (which may be different).

Comment by 220854

If u want something (or some1) to die, use this+BW+stun and you have a very, very good headstart with dmg.

Comment by elitearthas

I thought this was supposed to be buffed ?

Comment by creatorslave

Kill command now costs 40focus. 37 with glyph

Also Kill Command seems to work when target is out of sight(mean behind a wall or pillar).
Nice for bg and arena. U cant hide anymore!

Comment by Monnezza

Kill Command is the signature ability for BM since 4.0.1
During Bestial Wrath you'll want to spend on KC any bit of focus you can spare.

It may be useful to point that your pet doesn't benefit from any proc granting you "ranged" attack power. The talented Bestial Wrath has a rather short cooldown and you'll probably want to use it as soon as it is available (provided that you are nearly full on focus) instead of waiting for procs.

It is a situational ability for SV and MM instead, since it does much less damage and is outperformed by far by Arcane Shot. You can use it e.g. while fleeing from Sindragosa's Blistering Cold if you're caught while full on focus and aren't confident with using Arcane Shot while strafing or jump-shooting.

Comment by 259313

This ability is useful in that while being an offensive ability, it's usable while under the effects of Deterrence.

Can and should be taken advantage of in both PvE and PvP situations.

Comment by TwistedNether

Okay im getting some serious glitches with it...It keeps saying "You can't do that while stunned." everytime i try to use it and Niether myself nor my pet are stunned or fighting enemies capable of stunning.

Comment by 119130

just an FYI. if your pet can one shot a mob with kill command you wont be able to loot it. (found out while leveling skinning)

Comment by 212003

I occasionally get the error message 'can't do that while stunned' while attempting to use this, but neither me or my pet are stunned... any fixes?

Comment by 292491

I need your help to verify a theory on the current bug of Kill Command

Today i was fighting scorpids in tanaris and i started to recive the usual
'can't do that while stunned' reply. What i noticed however was that it was linked
to a specific type of enemy. Namely the Duneclaw Lasher.

A quick search showed me that the lasher uses... Lash
More research proved that the other times i could not use Kill Command
was when fighting enemies with this ability.

What i need you all to do is to verify if you to have problems with these enemies,
as well as other enemies with similar abilities.

After a little more detailed research i found out that the spells duration is 2 minutes !
That is on the the knockdown part. The disarm part is only 5 seconds.
This might be what is "blocking" the use of Kill Command.
Question is if this is "working as intended" or if it is a oversight ?

For now, i will avoid enemies with Lash or similar abilities.

Comment by 510578

Omen threat meter tells me that the threat from this ability is applied to me, not my pet.

Comment by Aeni

I was wondering about the formula to calculate the damage output of Kill Command...

(849 + (RAP * 0.516))*1

This does not match the values which my spellbook gives in my current setting. Also, the formula is a bit wonky, because you're multiplying the values within the parentheses with a 1 ... which is redundant in my opinion.

EG1: Wowhead formula: (849 + (12942 * 0.516) ) = 7527 (rounding off)

In-game spell book: Kill Command, 9044
In-game paper doll: 12942 RAP (w/o AoTH, no other buffs)

EG2: Wowhead formula: (849 + (15542 * 0.516) ) = 8869 (rounding off)

In-game spell book: Kill Command, 10655
In-game paper doll: 15542 RAP (w/ AoTH, no other buffs)

Comment by 427323

25 yard range in the MoP beta so far :o

The BM hunter in me rejoices :D

Comment by 649382

I hope hunters appreciate the pvp utility of this spell. It should be used: 1.) against pillar huggers LoS'ing you, and 2.) when you're the pillar hugger trying to survive, but you still want to deal damage to your opponent.

I feel this is one of the more neglected spells in pvp that would've saved your butt countless times had you thought to use it.

Comment by JopoFirecrack

Prowl increases Kill Command damage, and it's possible to have it hit exactly at the same time as Claw as your cat/spirit beast un-Prowls. Meaning KC & Claw can both benefit from the 20% damage increase. I've posted my results on the Prowl comments.

Pet Charge does not increase Kill Command damage though.

Edit: Why the downvote? Prowl still increases KC damage.

Comment by Allakhazam

Dont know if it can crit, but it would be hard to use it with devilsaur tooth. Pets have fast attack speed, and if u use the tooth right after u crit, your pet will probably make a melee crit before you can use this command.

Comment by Allakhazam

I would assume so, but I was just wondering if anyone knew offhand. Would be nice to be able to use the Devilsaur Tooth then cast this.

Comment by Thottbot

Does this skill interupt your ranged attacking, or is it a real instant cast?

Comment by Thottbot

Opinions wanted. Is this too annoying to use? Like most, I crit about 1/4th the time. Clearly it can't be on the pet bar b/c it takes hunter-mana to do, but a global cooldown would suck. And hitting another button from a limited line of buttons is pricey -- as far as button space goes.

Comment by Thottbot

Depending on what current skill my pet is using, i often crit for 800-1k on kill command.

Not to mention it leads to frenzy kicking in 1/3 times.

Yet another reason why all the new crappy slow outland bows sucks ass.

Comment by Thottbot

i think this thing is pretty much awesome for a BM hunter im lvl 67 and i can get it to crit for 500-600 damage. by 70 with some decent crit gear hopefully i can push my crit from 20% to over 30& and maybe close to 40%. then just spam this like crazy if i can find a fast bow outland bows are pretty slow....could prob get it to crit for over 1000 in beast wrath with my cat. since in pvp noone pays attention to the pet except to get away from it my pet is free to do its damage and with a 30-40 % chance to crit = unstoppable...plus id be crittn for gd damage.

Telanos
67 BM Hunter
Arygos

-Bringing back the fear of the Big Red Kitty

Comment by Thottbot

Both kill command and Steady shot are noted (rank 1).
will this say that blizz some day in the future will make another expansion where you will be able to get rank 2?
or is it just a mistake, and should both kill command and Steady shot be like Misdirection and have no rank at all?
just a question..

Comment by Thottbot

i had bt with the new 41 bm talents and it was insane dps, but now bangalsh is almost just as good as long as you dont retrain him, save your training points give him all resistances, (mainly shadow and frost) and he will eat casters alive, btw there is nothing more entertaining then watching a lock try to cast fear with a frenzied bm bangalash on him, qq emo wizard lolololol.

Comment by Thottbot

Question: Is it possible to get the Prowl buff with this move? seems i cant get it to work because my pet ignores my Command unless it was already attacking the target. This a glitch maybe? i know he does it fine when i am in combat but if i switch targets and try to tell my pet to kill command that one he doesnt. Would this be because of Passive Defensive or aggresive stance? any help thanks =)

Comment by Thottbot

Think about cobra reflexes. For a BM hunter, yeah your pet will do a little less damage. But crits come more often, triggering damage buff and frenzy. Frenzy, which will stay up most of the time, will have your pet attacking with a speed of .99. Not only would this keep the 3% damage buff up but against casters, will constantly knock back spell casts, which is sometimes overlooked.

With the Abacus of Violent Odds, (which imo should be a must have for every hunter) pop Bestial Wrath, and Rapid Fire. Your attack speed should come out to ~1.05+-. This would make you a very big threat to most for PvP. So far, it has allowed me to mow down many unlucky victims in the crosshairs of my rifle.

Comment by Thottbot

To fully benefit Kill Command (KC), and push its dps to full max, without pushing your dps down, you should macro it to other talents, I.E.

#showtooltip Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()
/castrandom Kill Command
/castsequence reset=2/target !Auto Shot, Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear();UIErrorsFrame:Show();

^ thats a steady shot macro for kill command, its slightly different from the one i use, (the one i use has #showtooltip Kill Command - so I can tell when its up and ready to use) but it will work as the same. All you must do to macro it to whatever else you want, Such as arcane/viper/raptor strike/mortal strike/wing clip, just erase any where it says steady shot and replace it with the talent you want to use it for. Example:

#showtooltip Arcane Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()
/castrandom Kill Command
/castsequence reset=2/target !Auto Shot, Arcane Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear();UIErrorsFrame:Show();

^ That would be the macro for arcane, I dont suggest using it with multi as it can mess your shot rotation up, since multi is technically a .5 sec cast.

For a BM hunter this is pretty crucial, even for MM/Surv its a rather nice dps push since you will NEVER miss a KC, and you will never click it at the wrong time, which doing so will push your auto shot time back slightly, not all that important for a short fight but, in boss fights that can mean a 20,000 damage difference. Which can be the difference between sucess and a wipe.

It does not interrupt your shooting, but does trigger the global cooldown.

Sarf
And Negative, There is no global cooldown as you can read above these comments. For example if KC is up and ready to use, and you have it macro'd to Arcane, It takes one (1) click to shoot your arcane shot, and give your pet the kill command. I Hope you newb hunters take this information and use it to your benefit, cause a hunter without macros is like a warrior without plate. Far to much stuff to keep track of for one person as a hunter, Macros make life easier, and make your character give maximum performance. You can find hunter macros online, and once you know how they work, you can tweak them yourselves to fully benefit your style of playing.

Comment by Thottbot

I like how one of the above yellows posts posts a 41/0/20 specc... At 400 resilience you take 20% less damage from critical strikes. For pvp the talent mortal shots 5/5 is a MUST... knewb specc to go w/o it in any case

Comment by Thottbot

i keep seeing people talk about the "cobra reflexes" skill that bangladesh has...but it is not exclusive to him. any dps pet can and should be taught that skill. i have a ravager with cobra reflexes, and all my talents put into speed and damage. i'd put my pet up against any cat his level any day.
just my opinion :)

Comment by Thottbot

this is basically a double crit if specced BM (improved kill command)

Comment by Thottbot

The best way to utilize this is in a double macro
MACRO 1:

#showtooltip Steady Shot
/console Sound_EnableSFX 0
/cast !Auto Shot
/cast Steady Shot
/click MultiBarBottomLeftButton12
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

MACRO 2:

/castsequence reset=4 Kill Command, !Auto Shot, !Auto Shot, !Auto Shot

Reason for 2 macros: most BM hunter macros simply had a line that called Kill Command (KC) but hunter's were finding that some small percent of the time, the activation of the KC would actually lock the macro up and the shot sequence would be stuck. The only way to unstick it was to get another critical strike, which would open the door to another KC, and the macro would continue to work.

So, some fellow named "Manito" came up with a 2-part macro. It doesn't alleviate the "lock up" of triggering KC, but if the lockup does occur, it doesn't lockup the primary macro with the shot rotation, it just locks up the secondary macro with the KC. Basically allows the hunter to continue with their shot rotation if if this lockup occurs.

Blizzard has acknowledged that there is a bug with performing any insta-cast action and firing an auto or steady shot (i forget which one), but that bug has not been fixed yet. So, in theory, the lockup has nothing to do with KC, but KC is used so often that it is usually the insta-cast action that triggers the lockup.

the 2nd macro should be placed on your hotbars in slot12 of hotbar 6 to be properly activated.

Comment by Thottbot

I'm suprised no one has commented on the damage this causes with bestial wrath. The damage stacks

1.5 * 1.60 = 240% damage with first attack
1.5 * 1.40 = 210% damage with second attack
1.5 * 1.20 = 180% damage with third attack

So, in essence, kill command will add 90%, 60%, 30% damage on top of BW.

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Kill Command

Kill Command	Level 85

40 Focus	100 yd range

Instant cast	6 sec cooldown

Give the command to kill, causing your pet to instantly inflict [(923 + (Ranged attack power * 0.516)) * 1] damage to its target.

The pet must be in combat and within 5 yards of the target to Kill Command.

Spell Details

Duration

n/a

School

Physical

Mechanic

n/a

Dispel type

n/a

GCD category

Normal

Cost

40 Focus

Range

100 yards (Vision)

Cast time

Instant

Cooldown

6 seconds

GCD

1 second

Effect #1

Dummy
Value: 2
PVP Multiplier: 1
Server-side script

Effect #2

Script Effect
Value: 83382
PVP Multiplier: 1

Flags

Cannot be used while shapeshifted
Do Not Sheath
Generates no threat
No Aura Icon
Ignore Line of Sight
Hide Channel Bar
Do Not Display Range
Not an Attack

Kill Command

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