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Comment by 141104

I am correct to understand that this talent gives mages a three times higher critical strike chance vs frozen targets?
If so, the numbers should be something like: 30% base crit chance --> 90% crit on a frozen target.
Unless they mean something totally different and random...

Comment by Tripster

It seems quite OP, but note that Fingers of Frost no longer affects all spells, only Ice Lance and Deep Freeze.

Comment by 255077

A simple question that i can not test ATM, bould this work if someone else has frozen the target? in example i go into ICC trash as a fire mage and some other mage (being frost) frozes some trash, will i have triple crit chance? being so a fire+frost mage can make the fire one go 100% crit too.

Comment by Mooz9

I know that this sound noobish.. But.. Does the frostbolt debuff count as "Frozen"?

Comment by Benegesserit

I was under the impression that ice lance, deep freeze, or brain freeze was intended to be used when a target is frozen. Is there any reason I would want to take benefit in the frostbolt damage buff from this talent?

Comment by 711779

^ i can only think of 1 circumstance where i'd rather cast FB on a frozen target instead of ice lance- if Fingers of Frost procs and your target is already frozen, and your freeze effect isn't immediately going to be broken. other than that, the buff to frostbolt damage seems kinda useless especially considering how easily freeze effects get broken (i've had my elemental break my CoC so many times before the global cooldown is even up!).
Still though, i'd get this talent just for the x3 crit. I'm having a hard time choosing between this and Early Frost (imp frostbolt), because I've heard people say that there's just "no room" for this talent in a frost spec.
as several posters have mentioned, this has awesome potential for a mage duo. I think an arcane mage with lots of +haste and fully charged arcane blast would rip !@#$ up if they had a frost buddy to cycle freezes on everything.

Comment by theconfessor

I would like to take this time to clarify some things for mages who spec frost and wish to PvE Dungeons and/or raid), with regard to how FoF -> shatter interact.

1: In the case of dungeon or raid bosses, your only shatter bonus will come from Fingers of Frost.

2: The 30% frostbolt damage bonus applies to Fingers of Frost since cataclysm launch.

3: If you have only one charge of Fingers of Frost, you will want to prolong this effect as long as possible. This means not getting jumpy and hitting Ice Lance as soon as it procs. Use Frostbolt instead until near the end of FoF proc. The reason being is that your frostbolt will get the 30% for THE ENTIRE DURATION OF FoF! By casting frostbolt through FoF, you can push that +30% for the entire time for a longer increase in dps. Also, spamming frostbolt will give you more chances to proc a 2nd FoF charge which you can then use for an ice lance.

4: the 3 primary scenarios where you would NOT hit frostbolt on a single FoF charge is if:

A) your deep freeze is available to use
B) Your deep freeze is not available, but Brain Freeze is active.
C: your deep freeze is not available, your Brain Freeze is not active, but you are about to lose FoF.

I hope this is helpful.

Comment by Troopcd

This talent is available in the first tier of the Frost tree talents, making it obtainable by all three specs.

When active, this effectively grants all spells triple your current crit chance. For example, if you have 10% crit chance, you will have a 30% chance to crit whilst this is considered active.

This is active if the target is considered frozen.

Your Frostbolt spell deals 20% more damage whilst this is active, making this superior for frost mages. Triple crit chance + 20% more damage creates a big burst damage combination. Disclaimer: This part won't benefit a boss, since Fingers of Frost doesn't affect Frostbolt, therefore you have no way to consider a boss Frozen for Frostbolt.

A target is frozen under any of the following mage effects: *Fingers of Frost, Frost Nova, Improved Cone of Cold, Freeze(Water Elemental), Shattered Barrier, Deep Freeze and Ring of Frost. I believe Hungering Cold (Death Knight) also counts.
*Fingers of Frost only makes the target frozen for Ice Lance and Deep Freeze.

Since All mage spells benefit from this effect, it is considered useful for Arcane and Fire PvP specs, since crit chance is tripled when Frost Nova or Ring of Frost is on the target. This creates powerful combos, especially for fire mages wanting to hardcast Pyroblast.

As an overview, this talent should be considered Required for any frost spec. Fire and Arcane PvP specs may benefit greatly from this effect if chained properly.

Comment by 340239

Does anyone know if this also buffs your crit chance with Gift of the Naaru against a friendly target that is frozen? That would be an interesting result.

Comment by Irollpally

Well looks like my mage is going to be more OP....

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Shatter

Shatter

Talent

Multiplies the critical strike chance of all your spells against frozen targets by 3, and increases the damage done by Frostbolt against frozen targets by 20%.

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0 yards (Self)

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Effect #1

Apply Aura: Override Class Script (911)
Value: 11
PVP Multiplier: 1
Affected Spells:

	Blizzard	Frostbolt	Cone of Cold
	Frost Nova	Fireball	Arcane Explosion
	Flamestrike	Fire Blast	Scorch
	Frost Armor	Arcane Blast	Ice Lance
	Frostfire Bolt	Deep Freeze	Flame Orb
	Flamestrike	Pyroblast!	Blast Wave
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	Pyroblast	Dragon's Breath	Arcane Barrage
	Living Bomb	Deep Freeze	Super Rocket Launch
	Fireball

Effect #2

Apply Aura: Dummy
Value: 21
PVP Multiplier: 1
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