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Comment by 501209

This and the Armored Razzashi Raptor are the new mounts which will drop from Zul'Gurub in patch 4.1. They are replacing the old Swift Zulian Tiger and the Swift Razzashi Raptor which were drops from the old Zul'Gurub, which aren't avaible to players anymore.

EDIT : Why the downrate? The information is true.

Comment by Solaire

I farmed ZG and all I got was a lousy Feat of Strength! In all seriousness, I am proud of my ZG Feats and being exalted. Only wish I could have found a mount. Maybe now I'll get one (or both >:))!

Comment by Cusco

Do you want this mount? Do you want to know how many times you need to kill the boss, with a group of five people and a drop rate of 1%, to reach a 99% probability that you obtain this mount?

First of all, to obtain the mount you need to beat two odds:
1. The mount dropping
2. You winning the roll

Therefore I will calculate the following:
1. How many times you need to kill the boss to reach a 99.5% probability of the mount dropping at least once
2. How many times you need to roll to have a 99.5% probability of winning at least one roll

Why 99.5%, you ask?
The answer is simple: In the end, I have I have to multiply the two and 0.995 * 0.995 = 0.99 = 99% probability of both odds.
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1. The mount dropping

I think I am right in saying that the old mounts had a drop rate of 1%? I would expect this to have the same drop rate.

A = The probability that the item will not drop after killing the boss one time (in this case 99% = 0.99)
B = Number of attempts

Y = A ^ B = The probability that the item has not dropped after B (number of) kills
(1 - Y) * 100 = The percentual probability that the item has dropped after B (number of) kills.

Made into one formula: f(B) = (1 - (A ^ B)) * 100

You first calculate the probability of the mount dropping not even a single time from the B number of kills. The only other result than failing every time, is winning at least once. So you don't calculate the probability of getting the mount on attempt #120 if B = 120, you calculate the probability that the mount has dropped at least once any time between 1-120.

There's no easy way to break this, the number of times you need to kill the boss to reach a probability of 99.5% for the mount to drop, is 528.

(1 - (0.99 ^ 528)) * 100 = 99.504113

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2. Winning the roll

This is calculated in exactly the same way, but now A = 0.8 since you have a four-in-five chance of losing.

(1 - (0.8 ^ 24)) * 100 = 99.5277634

Yes, that's right, it takes 24 rolls to have a 99.5% chance of actually winning at least once.

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3. The final result

Just like I multiply the percentages:

0.995 * 0.995 = 0.99 = 99%

I have to multiply the results from both calculations, to get the final result.

528 * 24 = 12 672

Conclusion: You need to kill the boss 12 672 times - once every day for almost 35 years - to have a 99% probability of obtaining this mount. Why such a high number, you ask? It's because the calculations assumes that you lose the roll up to 23 out of 24 times.

I cannot stress this enough: I am not saying you need to kill the boss 12 672 times to get the mount, I am saying that after 12 672, there is a 99% probability that you have gotten the mount at least once. The best way to explain it is that after 12 672 kills, there is only a 1% chance that you have never gotten this mount.

Comment by 624389

I want this mount! :D

/roll ....

Comment by 639386

Sucks that they took out 2 farmable mounts and put in 2 new ones, but make these none-farmable as solo player....

Great, I spent 1 year every reset chasing the tiger, now they add another one that I can't even farm and hope for on my own..thanks Blizz.

However...if the panther will look like it does in that picture, we have a better one on Alliance...Darnassian Nightsaber.

If they change it...well it'll still probably be a remade Darnassian Nightsaber, maybe darker shade of black and different armor.

Not to mention Alliance will soon start having the best looking cat mount in-game...the Golden King.

Comment by 796310

MMO-Champion's screenshot is not 100% the same skin as the orignal vanilla Nightsaber ~~-(Not the same seat and the 'armor')~~

I think that the Swift Zulian Panther is going to be a mix of the Nightsaber with Zulian armor (From the Swift Zulian Tiger)

Maybe a screenshot will help you guys alot :
Nightsaber with Zulian armor

Comment by 586068

I want a cow on a tiger, is that so hard?

Comment by 437270

Guys, why you are calcualting the chance that this mount will drop? It's RANDOM, it can drop three times in a row, it's plain LUCK, no math will help you get this mount faster. Just raid the place every chance you got...

Comment by 604878

I do not think you understand what the words "chance" and "random" mean.

Comment by 820946

Not here to brag, but to inform. Dropped from High Priestess Kilnara at 4:00pm +10 GMT, to my character Cocobutter on first attempt @ ZG on the realm Dreadmaul US.

Can reaffirm that the mount has no armour unlike the "Swift Zulian Tiger" but maintains a slightly shiny black coat with a purplish hue, and a lighter underbelly, reflective of a Panther. Has standard brown-orange saddle. Please find screen-shot attached.

Thanks.

Cocobutter.

Comment by Jakyap

Someone just got this on my server, it looks exactly like a black panther. No special armor or anything cool on it :( Rather disappointing...

Comment by GullaDaPwna

I don't get how people have to ask the people who got it "who drops it?" it's a panther mount....OBVIOUSLY IT DOESN'T DROP OFF THE PANTHER BOSS...Wait...yes it does... *bonks all the idiots who couldn't figure this out*

Comment by gadeschaos

This mount sucks compared to the old zulian tiger sadly.....

Comment by 709275

This mount looks awful. Redo it with armor or bring back the tiger. Also bring back the green raptor. That is all.

Comment by 685921

After seeing two of these bad boys drop in a row (and of course losing both rolls), I can confirm, the live version uses the same black unarmored panther model seen on the PTR.

(e) Of course, I didn't notice there was a 2nd page of comments. Oh well, confirmation # 23980239.

Comment by 59249

Am i the only one that is happy to have an unarmored epic mount? That is something I have wanted for a long time... a very long time.

Comment by Commack

I am a Vanilla player. I played hard in vanilla and BC. I am a lucky owner of the original tiger from ZG. I recently took a 2 year break, but came back a few months ago due to my obsession with my tiger. Maybe every other month, I would have ZG Tiger dreams, I would think I am logging in for the first time in years, and riding around on my tiger. I could not take it anymore, these dreams haunted me, so I decided to come back to the game.

Upon my return, ZG was gone, no more mount. This was kind of sad to see it go, but made me a smile a tad more considering I have the mount. I heard about the return of ZG for 85's, and I heard about the new Panther mount, and this made me happy for a lot of people who were unfortunately not fortunate to obtain the original.

For the first time yesterday, my eyes caught someone on my server with the new Panther. I for one, have to say, Blizzard could of done a little more better, dont you think? What I mean by this is.....the new mount has no armor at all, is very plain, and honestly looks like a old lvl 40 tiger mount from alliance side, or possibly the same model of one of the frostsabers from the Winterspring quest chain for alliance.

I feel, ZG is a land mark of WoW...ZG was known by a lot of people, the ZG Tiger was like...the best mount for horde in the game , or even the best mount in general to be able to own. I have a real fetish when it comes to tiger mounts, but when I finally got to see the new one, I was very very disappointed with the look. Maybe a little head armor like the original would of made this new unique mount, seem a little more unique. I am sure a few others feel the same. This post was not to whine, or complain, it was just a post for blizzard to hopefully see, and maybe consider adding some armor for the new unique mount.

Comment by Commack

For the people saying the Tiger was 1%.. no.. it was 0.7%

Comment by Lotus

Being one of the many people that tried for over 3 years to farm the original ZG tiger mount and never got it, I was quite happy when this dropped and managed to win it.

Is it as good as the zulian tiger? No. It is fairly plain looking but the mount look matches the boss it drops from rather well. The panthers in the area have no armor on. I suppose you could say the same about the tiger but to me im very much happy I finally got a saber mount on my horde toon. I doubt they will change the look of it but either way im happy regardless.

Comment by Tilmandra

As i never got the old ZG mounts, i got the panther yesterday, and i farmed this place for 3 / 4 years.. :)
Time to see if i can get ahold of the raptor, shame it's not the old mounts but these arent too bad either ^_^

Comment by 820883

Got it my first run shortly after servers went back up =D. Although I would like to see my screen shot in the screenshots tab. =/

Comment by Crazyrussian

Nothing compared to original tiger :)

Comment by nadde123

Got this on my troll warlock today in a pug, first time ever I have luck on my side!
It does look very nice, but I can't help thinking it'd look much better with some armor on. :)

Comment by itsmedino

"Never tell me the odds" Han Solo

and despite what you may have seen or heard he does shoot first

Comment by 239565

Dropped on the second run I did on my death knight tank. Actually won it which is weird as I never ever win anything that I want. Had to go do the ZG chain quest to get the matching panther pet immediately afterwards.

Comment by AuronFtw

Sorry Blizz, I bought this skin from the vendor in Darnassus for 1g.

Not sure what the big deal is.

Comment by 795838

such a siilly counting on chance of droping the mounts lol.. you only have a chance 0.1 on every kill.. it doesn't mean how many times you killed it... i had my baron rivendares death charger on 4 th kill on my shaman and when i was farming the baron mount for my frıend i got it on fırst farm when i got the stratholme achiv lol... baron has 0.1 chance too.. and i didint kill him for 12.000 .... times lol.. you're Wrong!

So ,because you are extremely lucky,stastistics are wrong?Ok,great to know!

My only hope is that you are still a bit young and haven't had any statistics lessons yet,because else../sadface.

If you read up the comments above,12k is a bit inaccurate actually,it is more like 2300,but the same point stands.

PS:The above calculations take into account that 5 people are in the grp.On the other hand,baron is soloable.The magic number for that one(the times to kill it to be 0.99 sure that you would get the mount) is around 458.

Comment by PaladinKnight

I can see how this mount is really lackluster to the Alliance, but to a Horde (and a girl horde like me at that) I like the cat mounts.

But I don't want to roll a *shudder* Night Elf to get one. Or an alliance char for that matter.

I would imagine that the raptor is kind of meh to Hordies because we can get tons of raptors all over the damn place.

Cats not so much. I wish that this one had armor on it but its better than no cat mount for the Horde at all.

Comment by deliazard

I wish that this was an un-armoured tiger like this but I find it doubtfull for Blizzard to change the style this drasticly now :\
P.S. Spider you may choose to get this mount should they not give this one any armour ;).

Comment by silverspring

Not to mention Alliance will soon start having the best looking cat mount in-game...the Golden King.

Its not about how mount looks cool.its about rarity.For example ; actually Celestial Steed Celestial Steed is one of the best looking mount ever in game but no one using this days.Another example ; Ashes of Al'ar its mess up your screen with tail animation but i bet people dont care that.
And about best looking mounts ; this is my list ; Ancient Frostsaber Ancient Frostsaber or http://www.wowwiki.com/Fluorescent_Green_Mechanostrider :P

Comment by 585305

I would like to point out that, for the players who weren't around for classic era, this mount is actually pretty awesome. It's barely different from the now-unobtainable Swift Nightsaber mount from way back when, which is used namely by the Night Elven Sentinel Huntress (Re: the patrolling elites in Darnassus, for those that don't know).

For the simple reason that there's only a slight model difference between this and an unobtainable old school mount, I am going to be farming this until I get it. Likely on a few characters, because I'm a masochist.

TL;DR As a Night Elf roleplayer, I'm farming this for the sake of having the signature Huntress mount. So that's a consideration, for those complaining about it being lackluster.

Comment by 839126

this mount is awesome! if you say this is sucks..dont roll it if it drop! I WANT IT!

"Actually, cats do this to protect you from gnomes who come and steal your breath while you sleep." - John Dobbin

Comment by Cliopatra

I wish it had armor like the tiger that used to drop from here. It looks too much like the Night Elf mounts right now.

Comment by Glowyrm

Why is this thing not armored? It would be much cooler if it had the same armor as the tiger at least.

Right now it's just SOOOOO PLAIN!

Comment by Lanna

For Horde I can see how people would like it simply because it's a cat and cats are rare.

But, as Alliance IMO this mount is a shadow of the Swift Zulian Tiger. The tiger really stood out in a crowd. I don't really see this thing turning a lot of heads.

Comment by 930606

I actually kind of like how clean this looks. The armor models for the armored kitties doesn't look that great to begin with. Armor on the Raptors and even Rams looks cooler.

I do like the lil face plates the armored sabers have though. Hope Blizz does something to spruce up this rare drop, but I don't think I'll mind too much if they leave it as is.

Comment by girayt

ok guys. i'm putting an end to your doubts;

there is a 50% chance of dropping the mount every time you kill the boss. it drops or it doesn't drops.

true story.

Comment by citrique

Solo farm as a Death Knight:

Enter the instance. Skip Venomancer Mauri at the entrance and run through the poison cloud to the bridge, it won't kill you. Kill any Florawing Needlers which aggroed.

Tiki Lord Mu'Loa is actually very difficult and must be killed. When you have AMS up, he does not cast his Tiki Torch ability, otherwise he will spam it nonstop dealing roughly 12-13K DPS to you which you will have to outheal or mitigate. Kings drums and/or a resist elixir will be of great use here.

There are two different ways to go from here, either cross the bridge and kill Gub for his fish barrel and a shorter path to the boss, or go the long way dealing with one more Venomancer (tank and spank) and a pack of Chosen of Hethiss (tank and spank). I choose the shorter (more difficult) path for the free fish. Gub is just a tank and spank and does nothing, or you can just run past him (he leashes off the bridge). There is one pack of Razzashi Adder which must be pulled. This pack is also rather difficult, on the pull use AMS and use damage cooldowns to kill 2-3 mobs before AMS wears off. From there burn each mob down one at a time as quickly as possible to avoid their poison stacks killing you.

Tiki Lord Zim'wae is also a tank and spank which does no damage. From here I frequently go kill Mortaxx for a free Maelstrom Crystal, he's another tank and spank, as long as you avoid aggroing too many other NPCs around him. There is one trash pack of Gurubashi Shadow Hunter and 2x Pride of Bethekk which is also tank and spank. The final trash pack of 5 mobs is best skipped using a Lesser Invisibility Potion. Should you choose to kill it, the kill order is Priest -> shadow hunter -> blood drinker -> cat. Just run away from blood drinkers whenever they start to spin until the hunter is dead.

For the boss herself: The primary damage sources occur in phase 1, from the adds and . When this spell is applied to you, is when you must AMS or use cooldowns.

Easiest way to do this is pull boss, save your interrupt for Tears of Blood, and kill one group of cats at a time. Focus them down before working on the boss. Pushing her into phase 2 with more than one group of cats alive will kill you, so avoid dpsing her below 50% before all the cats are dead. Have a focus interrupt macro to kick tears, don't kick shadow bolts, run behind her when she casts Wave of Agony, that's it. If your health has gotten low after a pack of cats or you want to wait for short cooldowns to be up, heal up off the boss by strangulating one shadow bolt cast so you can still interrupt tears, as her melee in this phase is easily mitigated with Death Strike spam.

If you are "pro" you can AMS before Lash is cast and immune it entirely, and Lash can be Dark Simmed. It is usually the first thing she casts after Tears is interrupted. It has a 4 second cooldown so you can cast it on the boss + 2 cats before the ability's usage window fades.

Phase 2 is a DPS race if you have mediocre gear, as her Rage of the Ancients stacks will eventually cause her to do quite a lot of damage, in Dragon Soul gear it's not much of a threat and the fight is essentially over once phase 2 begins. Note the Dragon Soul tank 4-piece is worthless for solo play and using the firelands 2-piece is better for P1 cat damage unless you only have the normal version.

As is the case in a lot of instances, the trash before the boss is more difficult to solo than the boss itself.

Comment by 963761

I am a "devout" Horde player.

Don't say it's boring, alliance players. Not everyone can get the same skin for 1g ;)

Comment by giannis1lag

In my opinion all the people calculating for this are wrong because if in your first attempt the mount can drop and you might also get it so you dont have to run the place thousands of time its all about luck really. wake up

Comment by MikadoGG

I would like to say that Mandokir and Kilnara are definitely farmable by two people (preferably tank and hybrid dps/healer). My bf and I kill them a few times every week hoping to see the mounts drop. We run prot paladin - shadow/disc priest.

On Mandokir as long as you kill Ohgan every time he spawns (stuns are great for this too if you have them), don't stand in aoe and get in a decent amount of damage between decapitates you don't need to heal the tank at all. If tank gets decapitated I use dispersion to tide me over, or pop shadow fiend/fade. You only need to last 4-5 seconds before tank can get ressed and taunt off you. It's a marathon kill because you spend a lot of time dying and ressing/self buffing as shadow piest, might be easier for melee dps.

On Kilnara, I switch to disc spec. It's pretty straight forward, tank pulls one pack of panthers at a time, dps them down, dispel her magic debuff, get out of waves, win. Pretty much just like the regular strategy for full groups, just takes longer because of lower dps.

The trash pull directly before her room is actually more difficult than the boss herself. We use mind control on a blood drinker, get it killed, then just spam heals on tank, dispel tank and mobs. Try to kill/CC the priest in that group first if you can because he gives the rest of the mobs a buff that makes them deal significantly more damage to the tank, sometimes two-shotting him if I'm not quick enough on dispels. Being a priest with offensive single target and mass dispel is extremely handy for this, but other classes should be able to figure out a strategy for this pull too.

Hope this is helpful. Good luck on your mounts.:)

Comment by DIstevenash

If you're interested in obtaining this mount, and play a Hunter, the odds of you getting it are substantially higher than most other class as this encounter is solo'able for Hunters in FL/DS gear.

I've uploaded a guide here:

youtube.com/user/DIsteevnash

It has been solo'able by hunters for some time now, but information on how to accomplish it has been scarce. Hopefully the video is helpful in obtaining this extremely rare mount.

Comment by 639386

I can honestly say that the Swift Zulian Tiger was the first mount I ever set out to obtain in this game. It was the mount I would dream about owning and I spent so many hours inside that instance, learning to handle it and farming it each reset. However, I never obtained it. I got the Swift Razzashi raptor however, and as Alliance I feel that this was me being more lucky than I should have been if I had gotten just the tiger. Despite this, I actually felt very sad when this tiger was removed...Until I saw the Swift Zulian Panther.

I am VERY happy to see this black, unarmored cat mount back in the game and obtainable through gruesome soloing! It looks 10 times better than the tiger ever did to me since I have always liked panthers more than tigers, and the zulian tiger felt like it belonged to the troll race more than anything. This panther looks mean, it's sleek, it is amazing. And best part is that I will be able to solo this one DAILY. I am a very happy player when it comes to this panther,and sure, the Swift zulian tiger would have been a nice addition to my collection, but it would have been replaced with this one for ground use for sure, and nowadays I wouldn't have been using it at all instead of my Swift spectral.

I think it's quite sad how people expect you to be heartbroken over the removed tiger and not be able to see anything surpass it, but I can speak for myself and say that I do...and that's good, since it would've shrouded my in-game happiness whenever seeing a Swift zulian tiger otherwise.

Comment by 943680

Friends and me farmed this mount. Took us around 50-60 runs...and it dropped. I got it and it made me scream : )

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Swift Zulian Panther

Item Level 40
Binds when picked up
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Requires Level 40
Requires Journeyman Riding
Use: Teaches you how to summon this mount.
Summons and dismisses a swift Zulian panther.

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