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Comment by 176514

No more spamming hemo and feeling guilty for wasted charges!

Comment by 103436

This is nice. I cant wait to try it out soon..

Hemo does 110% wep dmg thus if you have 1400AP (i know low.. but its a even number) and have Merciless Gladiator's Pummeler This yeilds about 370 low dmg and 498 high dmg.
Now add this Glyph and you can increase your damage an additional 40% after you initaily inflict the first hemo hit and you should be looking at 518 low end dmg and 697 high end dmg..
Wich is freaking amazing.. Thank you Blizz..

Cheers,
Exo

Comment by critt

Yep, this one also caught my eye. I've had a quick glance at all the current glyphs and this one by far seems quite imbalanced.

Comment by 230387

they really need more glyph's, cuz there isnt one for mutilate, shadowstep, and whole bunch of other specc'd abilities

Comment by Cr00xY

decription is very humble, does it means that only rogue˙s dmg is increased by 40% or dmg from all sources? if it is from all sources its totally IMBA for raids, better then any other debuff actually.

Comment by 163540

Let us calculate what the raid benefits of this glyph would be when all charges are used.
Given an average critrate per melee in raid situation: 30%
Hemorrhage glyphe bonus: 30 per charge

Bonus dmg gained through hemo(w/o glyphe) = (7 x 75)+(3 x 150) = 975
Bonus dmg gained with glphyed hemorrhage = (7 x 105)+(3 x 210) =1365

1365 - 975 = 390 bonus dmg for your raid per hemo application with this glyphe.

Comment by 478985

In some ways, I agree with Fadeaway. By itself, Hemorrhage isn't worth speccing into for a raid. The extra 1050 damage that the raid does isn't worth sacrificing your own personal DPS.

The only way Hemorrhage is going to help your raid is if you work it into a PvE spec that can compete in personal DPS with a comparably geared Combat Rogue.

(Coincidentally - in our 25m raid, we're also experimenting with ways of including a Demonology Warlock for a very similar reason: the Demonic Pact raid buff. With a well-geared, raid-buffed Warlock, this buff is superior to the Totem of Wrath raid buff. However, it's very hard for a Demonology Warlock to compete with the other Warlock specs in PvE DPS. You essentially have to determine if the benefits of the raid buff is worth the decrease of the one's DPS.)

In our guild, we're trying to experiment with different ways of implementing Hemorrhage, currently with limited success. First of all, to make use of this tool, your raid will have to be fairly physical-DPS heavily - to make use of the debuff. Ideally, you want each hemorrhage the rouge causes to be consumed ASAP - if possible every GCD. This makes using a Hemorrhage rogue in a 10m raid very impractical.

The second half of using Hemorrhage is finding a way of getting a rogue that specced into hemorrhage a high enough DPS that it can compete on the DPS charts. The best way we've come up with so far is to have our Homorrhage rogue spec deep Subtlety and pick up Honor Among Thieves. This talent allows for 5-pt finishing moves almost every other GCD if the rogue is placed in an optimal party (best to put them in a party with mellee DPS that use abilities every GCD or any class with crittable DoTs or HoTs).

We're still hitting major difficulties with this. As such I would highly suggest that raids DON'T try to use Hemorrhage, unless they're willing to put in some time experimenting. This goes even moreso for rogues out there looking to PUG raids in a deep-Subtlety spec. It's really not viable unless you have the cooperation and support of a guild that's willing to put in the effort to make it work - most raid leaders are gonna pass over you if they find out about your spec.

Comment by 350279

How can Hemo be useful in a Raid-Situation? It has 10 charges, which are burnt in less than 2 sec's.

Comment by 576129

Tested at level 40. DPS without Glyph of Hemorrhage was around 200. With the glyph my DPS increased by 20. Not bad at all.

Comment by Hijou

I noticed something weird, when this glyph is equipped my Hemo's tooltip changed from 13 added physical dmg to 25....and the last rank (when I go went to a rogue trainer to check) seems to add around 145 instead up from 75/105.... is this a mistake on the tooltip or is the glyph more powerfull then intially thought.......or is this just some crazy random happenstance caused by a mix of bugs and addons?

Comment by Teelie

Does this glyph stack with Sanguinary vein? Theoretically it should but you never know with Blizzard, perhaps they make an exception because the bleed is from a glyph.

Also, please answer instead of thumbing down.

Comment by 115475

It isn't just auto attacks, just tried it before and after spamming ss, and it increases those by 10% also.

Comment by 195220

i'm not sure how useful this glyph will be. Considering you should be keeping rupture up as close to 100% as your able to, i dont see the 40% of a fairly low damage attack<when compaired to other moves they could of set it for>. while if the damage stacks like it did for warriors deep wounds bleeds it could be a decent glyph, but im pretty sure theres better choices for a sub spec, glyphs of backstab, evicerate, shadowdance, and possibly rupture <depending on how bad you are at keeping it on the enemy>.

I just think that 40% over 24 seconds sounds really drawn out and would be very low damage exspecialy if it overwrites instead of stacking.

Comment by nodfaction

This is a decent pvp glyph for the purpose of keeping other rogues, druids, and mages from slipping back into stealth/invisibility due to the long bleed effect.

Comment by lumpymilk

It can crit.

Comment by 714426

It does NOT stack with itself to increase damage. It takes the most recent Hemo hit, and then takes a flat % and devides it over 24 seconds, each tick can individually crit, and when from a crit hemo it can be a pretty decent dot... but... it can also tick low if it's a non crit hemo non crit tick obviously.

Comment by 240259

Beware, this renders Gouge pretty much useless.

Comment by 327335

On ozumat's fight(P3), this WILL do a lot of damage. I don't know if it's a bug or not but i think it will be fixed soon.
Ozumat's normal fight - according to recount:
Me: 4.1m
1) Hemorrhage (DoT) - 1320535 - 31.7%
2) Melee - 1091114 - 26.2%
3) Hemorrhage - 889015 - 21.3%

Its max ticks were 144935 and crits for 255319.

Comment by 791596

I don't know if its a bug, but always when my hemmorhage gets fully absorbed, the dot will do 1 damage, and 2 crit damage.

Comment by SoooWhoCares

Some infos:
-the dot ticks every 3s for 8 ticks total ( = 24s)
-it does tiny amounts of damage (40% of direct hit divided by the 8 ticks -> 5% of direct hit per tick)
-when Hemorrhage crits all ticks will do double damage on normal ticks
-ticks can crit for twice the damage
-When using Hemorrhage and getting a crit, then using the skill again while the dot is ticking and getting a non-crit the non-crit dot will overwrite the crit-dot - instead of just renewing the duration.
-The dot damage is calculated with the AP values you had when hitting the target. Not with your current values. Also a weak dot will overwrite a stronger one instead of just renewing the duration.
-The bleeding tick does not stack when Hemorrhage is spammed multiple times. Also when you spam the skill multiple times you'll delay the time till the ticks start.
-critical ticks proc Honor Among Thieves which helps you gaining combo points even when ooc in PVP
-this glyph nicely helps keeping the Sanguinary Vein damage buff up
-The dot will be applied ~1s after you hit your target with Hemorrhage. So the 30% bleed effect damage works for the first dot that is applied, too.
-when starting a fight this can do much more damage with the ticks because of these 2 passives: Find Weakness & Master of Subtlety
-the damage buff of Sanguinary Vein also works on poison

Comment by 801799

Some uses for this glyph, criticism is accepted and welcomed.
As this is Subtlety glyph at this time, the hemorrhage is used mainly to increase the damage of your backstab as a dagger rogue.
The formula to do this is to have Sanguinary Vein with 2 points and Improved Recuperate with 2 points and Energetic Recovery with 3 points. You only use hemorrhage to apply the bleed and the debuff(s) followed by backstabs. Opener used can be either Premeditation/ambush or Premeditation/garrote or premeditation/cheap shot (depending on the situation) and immediate recuperate.
The main damager of your "rotation" is backstab. Finisher is preferably either Eviscerate or Slice and Dice.
However although the glyph applies bleed on target, this does NOT make Blind or Gouge useless. The Blind turns into interrupt and Gouge stays normal as stops Gouge from breaking from bleeds that YOU apply. As Blind still breaks on Hemorrhage Bleed, the Blind is most effective in this case with 2 macros and when fighting 2 enemies at once (pref healer and dps):
/focus target
and
/target focus
/cast blind
/targetlasttarget
What that does is it Blinds your Focus target and continues to beat your current target.
You can focus your 2nd target with the first macro. Gouge stays the same.

Comment by 550217

Basic question: the tooltip for Hemo says that it does 30% extra damage as a bleed effect.

So does this glyph do 40% more for a total of 70% of base damage or 40% total (+10%)?

Comment by Mormodes

If you want to track the 24 second debuff from this glyph with an addon (without Hemorrhage coming up instead) try using the spell id 89775

This is the link to the actual 24 second debuff: Hemorrhage

Blizzard gave both debuffs the same name, which make this difficult to track with addons such as Power Auras. I use TellMeWhen to track mine.

EDIT: Why downvote? This is accurate information...

Comment by PriestessAur

In Mists of Pandaria this glyph has changed.

OLD: Glyph of Hemorrhage - Your Hemorrhage ability also causes the target to bleed, dealing 40% of the direct strike's damage over 24 sec.
NEW: Glyph of Hemorrhage - Your Hemorrhage ability only causes lingering damage over time to targets that were already afflicted by a Bleed effect.

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Glyph of Hemorrhage

Item Level 29

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Your Hemorrhage ability also causes the target to bleed, dealing 40% of the direct strike's damage over 24 sec.

Max Stack: 20

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