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Comment by 156946

one of my favorite glyphs simply because it makes the flame shock chain lightning rotation valid in a lot of encounters since you can now stay at maximum range.

*edit* this post was made before they changed it, originally it increased the range of flame shock by 10 yards, bringing it up to 30 yards (equal to LB, LC and LvB)

Comment by theholychicken

I would like to note that you CANNOT stack several glyphs of the same type to increase the effect. Upon attempting to inscribe a duplicate Glyph at the Lexicon of Power you recieve the message:

"That Glyph is already inscribed in your spellbook."

Comment by alloran

Does this glyph only prolong the duration of the Flame Shock DoT, or does it increase the total damage done?

Comment by 174937

If this glyph increases the duration of flameshock by 6 seconds that would bring it up to 18 second duration on flameshock.. this should give us enough time to pop 2 lava bursts and be 1 second away from getting in another one :( wtb another 1-2 seconds more on the flameshock glyph.. ><

assuming we have around 33% haste in a raid

flameshock : 1 second GCD
Lava burst : 1 second cast (2)
Lava burst cooldown : 8 seconds (10)
Lava burst : 1 second cast (11)
Lava burst cooldown : 8 seconds (19)

But what if you were to cast flameshock as soon as its cooldown is up? so you get this:

flameshock : 1 second GCD
Lava burst : 1 second cast (2)
Lava burst cooldown : 8 seconds (10)
Lava burst : 1 second cast (11)
flameshock CD ends/recast (18)
1 second GCD (19)
Lava burst cooldown : 8 seconds (19)

with that cycle you wouldn't be wasting any time.

Comment by 151016

Even though it's one second off the CD for three LB per flame shock, it's still a major buff. Having LB not consume the DOT means, along with the additional 6 seconds, that you have space for two other shocks in between flame shocks, and you don't have to worry about losing the last tick, or any tick for that matter. I could definitely see a rotation where you recast FS every 18 seconds, and just use Lava Burst whenever the cooldown is up.

Comment by Sgtown

So shamans get this with a glyph for their baseline spell Lava Burst, where's the Warlock glyph equivalent for Conflag/Immolate?

Comment by 161867

Lava Burst will hardly be a baseline spell for shaman (though the low cost is surprising to me). It will most likely never be used until last second of FS DoT. But this glyph will change that. Spamming it every 8 secs freely. Rotation may end up looking like this, for me at least. (for simplicity sake, 0 haste, single target):

Flame Shock-1.5 gcd
Lava Burst-1.5 sec cast
Lightning Bolt-2 sec cast
Lightning Bolt-2 sec cast
Lightning Bolt-2 sec cast
Lava Burst-1.5 sec cast
Lightning Bolt-2 sec cast
Lightning Bolt-2 sec cast
Lightning Bolt-2 sec cast
Flame Shock-1.5 gcd
Lava Burst-2 sec cast

Personally, I rarely use shocks in raids as they cost double the mana and deal less damage while still losing that 1.5 sec gcd, it seems like such a waste especially since now that mana pots can only be used once per fight. If you get Glyph of Earth Shock to lower gcd by 1 sec then fit it in there as it will greatly boost dps.

Comment by Drong

Due to the possibility to spec in Shamanistic Focus (Reduce the mana cost of shocks by 45%) we dont have a problem with the cost of shocks anymore...
And to max out the little dmg we do compared to other classes since the recent changes i think that keeping FS up constant will do alot...

Comment by Darkent

Tested this.
It doesn't change damage of DOT, it adds 2 more ticks over 6sec with same damage as usual ticks.
If you had ticks of 200 damage every 3sec for 12sec before, you will now have 200 damage ticks every 3sec for 18sec.

Comment by 195457

So with two extra ticks at Level 9, you get 556/2 = 278 extra (base) damage.

278/1056 =26.325% extra damage over a normal Flame Shock, plus the Lava Burst synergy.

Very nice. Especially for a lower level glyph.

Comment by devvvour

Will the Lava Burst still critically hit?

Comment by 111811

It doesn't change damage of DOT, it adds 2 more ticks over 6sec with same damage as usual ticks.

Not to start a semantics war, but since "DOT" stands for "Damage Over Time", two more ticks would in fact change the damage of the DOT, it just doesn't change the damage of each "tick".

Comment by 165846

Essential for and elemental shaman imo, even more so with the 2 piece bonus on elemental tier 8 ((https://www.wowhead.com/cata/itemset=-73))

Comment by 219954

You still need the Flame Shock on the target for 100% crit but the flame wont be removed.

Comment by Vesh

Does this glyph mean that this talent becomes useless, or does the haste still procc?

Comment by 35427

I'd imagine this to stack additively with Elemental Fury (100% increased crit damage), for 160% increased crit damage to FS.

Making a 1k hit crit for 2,3k (1000 + 500*2,6) instead of just 2k seems like a pretty good buff especially with the newest passive buff posted above.
Approximately 1240 haste made my FS tick each 2 sek instead of 3 on the PTR, which really makes the need for 4p set bonus even more attractive.
As it is now, I'd have to refresh FS every 12 sec instead of each 18 sec. Drop your pants now Toravon!

Comment by 561250

Currently in the Cata Beta, this increases the duration of Flame Shock by 50%. This is probably going to be one of the major DPS increase glyphs since you're going to be using Earth Shock when you reach 9 Lightning Shield charges from Fulmination. But Beta is Beta and we'll know on launch day.

Comment by 629499

Does this also increase the damage done by 50% total to even things out?

Comment by sztwolf

hihi,

just wanna discuss dmg if it's really a increase in dps.

I did the calculation of the extra dots is actually 429 base flame spell dmg in the extra 9 secs.

if I unglyph it actually is a higher dps than the glyphed ones. in dat extra 9 secs you actualy get 531 initial dmg and another 286 dmg from the 9 secs window given in it.

imo glyph-ing is to not miss it the time frame given to chip in Lavaburst and also save mana cost.

BUT i'm not so sure how is this effect earthshock since it shares CD.

Comment by sztwolf

While refreshing Flame Shock more often and thus applying the initial damage more often will result in a little better single target DPS, with the redesign of Fire Nova in patch 4.1 I've found that this glyph serves better as an AoE tool. A Flame Shock with a 27 second duration allows you to keep the DoT up on 3 targets consistantly, which allows for 3 Fire Novas to be triggered simultaneously per cast. Reverberation potentially alllows for 4 targets worth of Fire Novas.

Yeah you're right on that part but thats because 4.1 patch update was not out yet when i post this so MEH.

side from that, it has its uses as a mana management tool on single target boss fights. Longer duration means less mana spent keeping it refreshed for those juicy Lava Burst crits

This was what i had my doubts when saying dat glyphing it = extra 50% dps which i doubt it does.

BUT overall, just GLYPH IT! it is such a powerful glyph in terms of AOE dmg.

Comment by sandreid87

I just realized something. The standard duration of FS is 18 seconds. With a 50% increase from this glyph, which would be 9 more seconds, the total duration should be 27 seconds, of course.
I just checked my tooltip, and it actually says that my FS lasts for 27,51 seconds.

Why is that? Is the duration actually longer than 27 seconds with the glyph? I currently have 1.159 (9,05%) Haste without totems. With totems my Haste becomes 14,05% and FS suddenly only lasts 26,20 seconds.

So whats up? Does FS actually last 28 seconds with the glyph instead of 27 or something?

Edit:
I just did some testing:
702 Haste = 25,60 Seconds Flame Shock duration
705 Haste = 25,59 Seconds Flame Shock duration
708 Haste = 25,59 Seconds Flame Shock duration

710 Haste = 28,42 Seconds Flame Shock duration

The increased Haste add an additional tick to FS when you exceed 709 (5,50%) Haste it seems.

Comment by PriestessAur

In Mists of Pandaria this glyph has changed.

OLD: Glyph of Flame Shock - Increases the duration of your Flame Shock by 50%.
NEW: Glyph of Flame Shock - Increases the duration of your Flame Shock by 25%, but reduces the initial damage dealt by 25%.

From Patch 5.2 Notes:
Glyph of Flame has been redesigned. This glyph now causes the Shaman to heal for 30% of the damage dealt by Flame Shock.

This glyph has gone through several changes and many of the other comments here refer to previous incarnations of this glyph. History below courtesy of Wowpedia.

Cataclysm Patch 4.0.1 (2010-10-12): Became a prime glyph. Now increases the duration of Flame Shock by 50% (previously increased critical strike damage bonus by 60%).
WotLK Patch 3.3.3 (2010-03-23): Redesigned. "Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Flame Shock damage by 60%."
WotLK Patch 3.2.2 (2009-09-22): Redesigned. This glyph now makes periodic damage able to be critical strikes.
At the same time, the duration of all levels of Flame Shock were extended by 6 seconds, and will never consume the debuff.
WotLK Patch 3.0.3 (2008-11-04): Now extends duration by 6 sec and prevents Flame Shock from being consumed by .
WotLK Patch 3.0.2 (2008-10-14): added
Initial effect: Increases the duration of your Flame Shock ability by 3 sec.

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Increases the duration of your Flame Shock spell by 50%.

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