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Comment by 96384

Proc chance listed as 10%.

Comment by Owari

Timbal is a moderator on the US WoW forums.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Timbal

Comment by organic

If this trinket consumes ISB charges, it seems like it would be a net raid dps loss similar to shadow wands. Anyone have any hard math on the subject?

Comment by 65490

The proc effect looks exactly like a Shadowbolt cast by the user. Often, I'll be casting Drain Life or Shadowbolt and a "Shadowbolt" from this trinket will shoot out.

Even as a Destruction Warlock, I saw numerous procs even on short fights.

Comment by 66839

The spell it procs (https://www.wowhead.com/cata/spell=45055) seems to deal physical damage, so it appears an ISB charge won't be used.

Comment by 131277

Can anyone confirm whether or not this proc's off of Fireball's tick?

Comment by 47718

Would it proc for ignite? I'm trying to decide if this is an upgrade over either sextant or icon for a fire mage. Seems like it has potential if CoS and Shadow weaving and misery are up.

Comment by 73751

Quote:
1) Proc delay:
1/ (tick/sec * proc rate) + internal CD = 1/ (1.33*0.1) + 15 = 22.5sec per proc (let's assume 4 ticks per 3 seconds (3 from Mindflay / 2 from dots, but you lose some depending on how heavy your MB / SW:D Rotation is)

2.) Average Damage = 380 * 1.15 (shadowform)* 1.1 * 1.05 * 1.13 * (1+0.13*0.5) * (1+0.2*0.5) = 668,16 * 1% resist rate = 661,48

3.) DPS = 661,48/22.5 = 29,40

4.) Equivalent Damage for Shadowpriests 1 dmg = 0.5 dps, 29,40/0.5 + 44 = 102,8 damage, which makes it the best shadowpriest trinket at the moment.

There's a small problem with the math there. That 4) should be 1 dmg = .5 dps, so 29.40*.5 + 44 = 58.7 damage, which makes it not even worth the time it would take to get it. Of course, that's assuming nothing else you did there was wrong.

Comment by NightmareMJ

Wow, this is possible the best trinket for a raiding or pvp doter Balance Druid.
I can see myself using this a great deal especially If I ever get 2 piece of tier 6 balance set.
Combined with the extremely low mana cost of insect swarm, a balance druid could get a great deal of damage boost out of this.

But question for those testing it, since it seems to have a cooldown, does the cooldown only apply against a certain spell's dot tick or against all dot spells globaly(i.e. if you have a row or two of dots, is it going to only proc once every 15 secs for the entire row? or just once every 15 secs for each dot spell in the row?)

Comment by 127693

Anyone able to do the calcs for a fire mage? I'm not that much into craft-numbers... :-(

Thx a lot. By first look seems interesting at least.

Comment by 46845

i am curious how this would perform for a elemental shaman, i have been farming kara for ages now and still no TLC so this might be the trinket for me. i currently run sextant and quagmirran's eye and been trying for sextant/TLC but this might be able to take its place, maybe a bit less damage but i do have 45%crit raid buffed with a boomkin.. might even out, due to the 44 spell damage on the trinket.

think it's worth going after? cause illhoof isn't a fan on mine.

Comment by AuReacT

I would die if this dropped and a mage took it instead of The Lightning Capacitor..

"But I needs it for fierballspamm :D"

/sigh

Comment by AuReacT

I hope this proc won't interrupt Mind Flay like ToW and Shadowguard..

Anyone tested it ?

Comment by vexis58

Remember, even if you have NO periodic damage, this trinket STILL has 44 static spell damage on it. That makes it better than some of the crit-based trinkets for elemental shamans, like X'iri's Gift and the Vengeance of the Illidari.

However, that still doesn't make it better than many pure-damage trinkets like the Sextant of Unstable Currents or the Icon of the Silver Crescent.

It's not completely useless for an elemental shammy, but only if no other casters in the group want it. I'd cry if a shammy took this over a lock, shadow priest or even a fire mage.

Comment by 98492

One part not mentioned in the theory crafting above is that shadow priests and affliction locks are often maintaining a set of DoTs on multiple targets. This benefits the lock much more then the shadow priest, as maintain multiple sets of DoTs will significantly reduce a shadowpriests Mind Flay Time as less time will be available for one of their lowest priority spells. The other thing to consider in this case is that caster has little control over which target will be effected by the proc.

One other minor concern for a shadow priest is the trinkets interaction with his shadow fiend verse the other available trinkets. A shadowfiend's damage scales with his players +dmg, so on-use +dmg trinkets and other trinkets with higher static +dmg interact more favorably with the shadow fiend. However, the increased shadow dmg will return more mana from VT. Using Isayi's numbers from above, 661.48 dmg ever 22.5 seconds nets (661.48 dmg / 22.5 seconds * .05 mana / dmg) 1.47 mana / second. Shadowfiend, being a 5 minute (300 second) CD, would break even on mana return if the difference caused the shadowfiend to return an extra 441 mana (1.47 * 300).

One question I have (which will not stop me from using this trinket because it still would be one of the best) is how the trinket would handle a situation in a fight like Kalecgos where DoTs are ticking while the player is in another area (after stepping through the portal). A small loss in DPS would be incurred if trinket cannot proc on a mob you cannot target (the time it takes you to get your new DoTs running), but if the trinket attempts to proc, fails because you cannot target the mob, and yet the internal cooldown begins, a more significant loss in damage can occur.

Comment by 140759

Lucky shadow priest here that just got it on first Heroic run. This thing appears to be pretty damn amazing so far. I am almost positive it is affected by shadow talents/shadow form/spell damage because I was seeing 1k+ crits during a raid. It procs both VE and VT so it makes it even more useful for us spriests. The passive +44 damage is just a bonus to the awesome proc. Indeed, there is an internal cooldown on this badboy, but it is very reasonable, as this thing procs quite often.

Comment by Karyssia

The Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 44 is nice for a lot of casters, but I feel this trinket is perfect for a shadowpriest/warlock.
I believe shadowpriest and warlocks should have rolls on it first. I would be truly be upset as a warlock losing this roll to a mage, as the guy stated a few posts down.

I'm just saying don't be greedy and think of who would benefit from this most.

Comment by 140801

Hi guys, I've always been impressed by the quality of comments here, but I would like to point out some mathematical errors made in the first couple posts. Allow me to rehash a bit.

Affliction DPS calculation:
Assuming 4 dot ticks per 3 seconds, the probability that you'll get at least one proc during a 3 second window is equal to the 1 - the probability that you'll get no procs during that window. The probability that you'll get no procs is 0.9^4 = 0.6561. So the probability that you'll get a proc during that window is 34.39%, not 40%. Small error, but I just wanted to point that out.

The probability that a proc will occur in a time t (with unit seconds) is given by the exponential distribution, with parameter lamda = ~0.11. As was correctly shown above, the average time until a proc is expected is 1/lambda or 8.72 seconds. Add in the estimated 15 second cool-down and we expect 1 proc per 23.7 seconds, roughly.

The calculation of the raid-buffed dps average dps output of the proc was done correctly and yields 594 damage on average (if you consider miss chance of 1%). Also, if you consider talents working on this (shadow form or Succubus Sac or Shadow Mastery) it goes up to 683, 683, and 653 respectively. I'm not sure if these buffs apply, though. Added in for completeness. The subsequent analysis does not include these effects.

In general (following the scheme above), here's what you get (regardless of spec or class), depending on how many DoT ticks you think you can muster per 3 seconds:

1 tick per 3: +13.33 dps
2 ticks per 3: +19.49 dps
3 ticks per 3: +23.01 dps
4 ticks per 3: +25.29 dps
5 ticks per 3: +26.87 dps

As you can see, the number of DoTs you pile on gives diminishing returns from this trinket. So don't expect huge DPS returns when dotting up multiple mobs. That's not to say that the trinket isn't awesome, however. +23 dps from ~3 dot ticks per 3, as an affliction lock could expect under most any circumstance, is a 2.3% increase in damage (assuming you deal ~1000 dps) from the proc alone.

Although it's dependent on gear, a BT/MH raiding warlock with 1400 shadow damage, 1100 fire damage, hit capped with 20% crit can expect +1 spell damage to return about 0.58 dps per point of damage. So this trinket should give an end-game warlock about 25.52 + 23 = 48.52 dps. The Icon of the Silver Crescent gives 39.92 dps, the Hex Shrunken Head gives 51.14 dps. Basically, until you get to Illidan, this is the second best trinket in the game AND it doesn't share a cooldown with the Hex-head or Silver Crescent, so their dps bonus happily stacks.

Tleilaxu
Affliction Warlock of Khadgar

Comment by 23104

Balance druids keeping their DoTs up all the time will see 19.9 dps from timbal procs, in addition to the 44 passive spell damage effect (starfire spam with a 15% crit rate in caster form would result in an increase of 25.2 dps by itself for a total of ~39 dps from this trinket) (with a 24% buffed crit rate, 1 spell damage is worth 0.57 dps).

Math behind 19.9 dps:

10% proc rate
Insect swarm ticks every 2 seconds. 10%/2 is a 5% chance to proc per second from IS.
Moon fire ticks every 3 seconds. 10%/3 is a 3.3% chance to proc per second from MF.

That's 8.3% chance to proc per second.
That means that it should proc once within 12 seconds.
There is a 15 second cooldown, so the range of proc times will be 15-27 seconds.
Average proc time will be 15+12/2 = every 21 seconds.

Average damage from the proc is 380.
With a 20% crit rate, that comes to 418 average damage.
418 damage dealt once every 21 seconds is 19.9 dps.

Comment by 123668

I got the first on my server. No other casters in my group so i took it for my fire set(mage).
Yes this procs off of ignite and fireball/pyro ticks.

Comment by psbass

I heard that on the PTR this did not proc off of a Fireball DoT, or Ignite. Can anyone confirm this either way?

Comment by 20383

Would it be worth it for an affliction warlocks to have TWO of these trinkets? Or do they not work together???

Comment by 111007

Prot Paladins - -

I picked up this trinket to test it for both farming, aoe threat, and single target threat. My conclusion is that it is really subpar for all three.

My testing grounds was the BT shelf, doing pulls of 10-12, over 20, and single target (Netharel). Over 1400 Consecrate/Spore Cloud ticks, the trinket only procced 8 times, giving it less than a 1% proc rate and only accounting for 1.3% of the damage. The ratio of ticks/procs increased as fewer mobs were pulled, obviously because of the internal cooldown. Meaning its a mediocre aoe farming/threat trinket, and you'd be better off getting a pure spell damage trinket or the al'ar one for threat.

Against a single target, the proc was roughly 8% of consecrate ticks, and triggering about every cooldown. This added about 6% to total damage from the proc alone, but considering the damage is shadow based not modified by RF and only averaged 360 damage, you would only see an overall TPS increase of about 50 from this trinket alone, and most of that is coming from the +damage adding to your various threat moves. This does not factor high resist rate against 73 boss mobs, in which case you'd probably be seeing a roughly 10-12% resist rate in raid gear.

Short story: seldom, randomly targetted procs and subpar +dmg make it an unreliable trinket for Prot Paladins.

Comment by 141546

Does anyone know the range/los/direction constraint of this proc?

What would happen if a warlock went around spam dotting people in a battleground, and it happened to proc on a target who was out of range, behind a wall or on a target in which the warlock was not facing towards?

Would the proc damage still be applied to the target, just without the visual effect or will an error message come up, just as if u were trying to cast a spell "Out of range" or "Out of line of sight", etc.

It really interests me, as i've found that in battlegrounds, i can still get nightfall procs, and be healed from siphon life even if i am on the other side of the map from the target to which the dots were applied.

Thanks in advance,

Unlockedd
Jubei'thos

Comment by 141619

This trinket would be great for a Boomkin or a Smite Priest for that matter. Both classes/specs maintain 2 DoTs on the target at all times and are heavily crit based.

Combining with is a great trick for these specs because the Shadow Bolt from can critically strike and proc any crit based mechanics such as: surge of light and Lightning Charges for the Capacitor.

Timbal's means the Capacitor charges easier and fires more often (although it has received an internal cooldown on it's charges).

I tend to gear based on a 10 minute boss fight and scale the advantages of gear changes also based on that. Over the coarse of a 10 minute boss fight the additional damage from Timbal's Shadow Bolts will out do the USE of trinkets such as the Icon.

Whether or not to use the Capacitor in combo with Timbals is your call and I'm personally still testing it. Thus far I'm actually finding Quagmirran's Eye or Darkmoon Card: Crusade to be the better combination. Timbals however has proven worth it with 2 DoTs on a burst based spec. It's just up in the air which trinket will best compliment it.

Comment by Taemojitsu

Can anyone CONFIRM that this does not proc from casting Blizzard? I know that under the old combat log pre-2.4, damage from Blizzard was reported with the same kind of combat message (periodic effect) as other DoTs, as was Consecration.

So has anyone actually tested it?

Comment by 84910

My name is Beefmonger, and I play a Troll Warlock.

I was originally a mage, but upon T5 raiding, specifically Serpentshrine Cavern, things have changed for me.

First, I got the Robe of Hateful Echos, which, honestly, didn't match, but hey. I'll roll with it.

Then along came the Cord of Screaming Terrors, warlock loot if there ever was one. It matched my robe, so naturally I overpowered the little elf 'lock who thought it should have been hers.

And then there was the Illidari Shoulderpads, and that clinched. I was a troll. And I looked like a warlock.

Now, with this handy little focusing crystal, I no longer merely LOOK like a warlock. I truly AM a warlock.
Pew pew!

Comment by 141172

any mage tried this with flamestrike (for example in MH)

Comment by 142243

I got this the other night on my paladin, only a mage was in the group and he didn't want it so I took it for my shock set to replace Quag's eye.

I can confirm that this DOES proc from concecrate.

Screenshot here - http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/Shibby6464/Shadowbolt.jpg

Comment by Yeoman

Mage with fire spec can proc it from tallent Ignite (2 ticks every 2 sec), when any fire damage spell crit, or just from regular Fireball, that have DoT for 8 seconds (4 ticks every 2 sec). Just tested.

Comment by 82837

I'm a little confused on this trinket - picked it up yesterday.

For a raiding lock, how does it rate vs hex head, icon, and haste items like quag's eye?

It says 'periodic' damage, so I'm guessing shadowbolts don't proc it, but things like corruption, immolate, siphon life do?

If so, I don't know how great this would be for a destrolock in Tempest Keep and SSC. Maybe it would best suit a deep affliction lock or even a demonology lock?

Comment by Otiman

I recieved this on my Resto Shaman, due to being the only caster in the group. Tested it thoroughly on flame shock, and it seems to proc quite well. Obviously nothing on a warlock or shadow priest, but the passive 44 spell damage, along with the proc is great.

Flame shock is 1 tick every 3 seconds, so having it proc once every 20-30 seconds whilst the internal CD is up is about where it's at. I'm sure someone else can number crunch better than that.

Comment by JayRay

There are much better trinkets for fire mages, taking this over an actual DoT class is very pointless.
It is not effective for shamans either, even if they spam flame shock.

Comment by 92763

I'm not the player this was happening to, so I couldn't say for certain that this was what was happening, but on a recent Kara run, one of our locks kept pulling aggro and getting killed from untauntable mobs. Normally he does not have this problem. Just recently he'd run hero MGT and received this trink and I'm wondering if this is the reason. Our tank has never had issues holding aggro and the lock has never had issues with nuking so hard that he accidentally pulls things off the tank. 2.4 having just come out though, we're still having some issues with Omen, but the timing seemed coincidental to me.

Comment by euphyi

For druids: Procs on Roots.

It animates as if you are casting a spell, but you don't have to be facing the mob for it to proc.

Comment by Thae

In light of all of the posts about the mathematical specs of this trinket's DPS, I'd like to add a few things about it that are a bit less DPS related.
If you dot someone in a BG, die, and rez in the GY... it can still proc and fly across the map to hit them.
If you are fighting a shaman and it procs at the right time, it WILL eat up their grounding totem.
If you are arenaing and someone runs behind a pillar, it can still fly through the pillars regardless of LOS, maybe even resetting the "combat" timer when it hits them that dots would otherwise lose.

If you can't tell, this is one of my favorite trinkets :) So far my highest crits in-raid (ie, including buffs/debuffs, etc) have been around 1150, sometimes hitting a bit above or below. (not BT geared - shadowpriest)

Comment by lillbrorsan

Pretty damn cool trinket actually, for me as Balance druid i've noticed that it procs really often.
It's pretty wicked to see a shadowbolt fly from you while casting Starfire :D
(Added a screenshots for this trinket)

I really like this trinket, have to be something special until i replace it.

Comment by 74227

Since I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere yet, the shadowbolt proc effect from this trinket does cause spell pushback like a normal shadowbolt would vs an enemy... kind of nice added bonus that can be quite valuable in PvP instead of a few extra spell damage.

Comment by 145499

The proc on this trinket would be pretty useful for fire mages, especially if they are built with a focus on high crit rate. The spell damage bonus is nice, too.

Comment by oppel

How do you know when it procs? Can you see it?

Comment by Aarpia

Got this on my mage today, and it appears that for some bizarre reason, this thing consumes clear-casting charges.

Edit: This is a total lie. It does not consume clear-casts.

Comment by 101752

have any mages tried this with blizzard? seeing as blizzard is periodic damage similar to mind flay or something (beside being aoe) I was wondering if it procced. would be fun to play around with for aoe as a frost mage if so ^^ (don't worry I'd pass to any class that would actually use it before taking it)

Comment by TranquilRage

Does this thing proc on a Hunters Scorpid Sting?

Comment by smdante

And about the interesting synergy between this trinket and Shattered Sun Pendant of Acumen for an exalted Scryer...

Not only will the neck piece proc off the shadowbolt from this trinket, but both receive a bonus from Curse of Shadow, which is up most of the time in raids.

Shadow and arcane bolts flying everywhere! :)

Comment by 139658

the proc can proc from stuff like the halaa bombing quest and the demon bombing quest on the new island.

Comment by 66395

How does this compare for a scorch mage with around 25% spell crit vs The Lightning Capacitor?

Comment by 108160

So for Frost mages these trinket is useless ?
I mean it wont proc on a frost bolt cast ?

Yes , I've just found out just on Dots and Channeled spells ...sigh

A sad thing

Comment by Camora

Have any Fire Mages tried this In Hyjal with Flamestrike AoE?

Comment by Myhr

This procs from Starshards, one of the Night Elf Priest racial spells!

For those that dont know, Starshards is an instant cast debuff dot that does arcane dmg; 5 ticks over 15 seconds, no manacost and a 30 second cooldown. Its nice.

It was mentioned earlier that this trinket has a 10 second internal cooldown. This is not the case.
I tested it yesterday and on several occasions saw multiple bolts flying from me to the dotted targets. This test was done with a holy spec, using only Holy Fire, Shadow Word: Pain, and Starshards for procs.

This trinket is simply amazing!

Myhr
Arathor

Comment by 79289

as an affliction warlock, this procs A LOT to say the least. especially in pvp when you're just tab-DoTing.. it procs several times per minute for me.

Comment by 105341

Blizzard's damage should be considered as AM or Flamestrike ground damage, so as long as it won't proc on them it should not proc with Blizzard (and i guess that if it does it procs only on 1 target alone, not every target at once, so it's not much of use also in this case).

Comment by 145499

Were you dotting multiple targets? In that case, the hidden cooldown probably applies to a given target, not to the trinket itself. In other words, you can get the trinket to proc multiple times within the 10 seconds on different targets, but it cannot proc more than once on any given target in the 10 second cooldown.

This is just speculation; I don't know this for certain.

Comment by Thrizie

Can anyone confirm whether or not this thing proccing stops drinking in PvP?

Wanna know if having it proc when you have the trinket stop you drinking as well as stopping the person it procs on drinking.

Comment by 122372

Okay, I recently got this trinket on my lock (about a week ago), and to confirm some previous posts, it procs of dots, yet does NOT interrupt your currently casting move! Its pretty cool, I am destro, but have no plus shadow/fire, so I switch cuz of mages once in a while. While I was casting incinerate (immolate was on Mag), I saw a little shadow bolt come out, then my incinerate hit, so when they both crit it was like 4.4k and 600 damage at once!

So while its not an uber amount of dps, it still is a great boost spell damage wise, and if you are affliction, its almost like adding another weak dot, since having 3+ dots on a mob will make this thing proc like guaranteed! Great trinket, locks might as well grab it while getting rep and doing quests.

Also, this can help most casters as well, since at the very least is a bonus 44 damage, and I'm sure it can proc off flame shock, imp. fireball, moonfire, and other assorted dots.

Comment by 54396

The shadow bolt from this trinket might consume one improved shadow bolt debuff. If it does. I would say this is horrible trinket for 25 man instance.

Destruction lock in raid already had hard time to keep ISB debuff. Spriest's spell consume most of them. Now if more people use this trinket in raid. Raid dps might slightly go down. Imagine those trinket proc consume ISB debuff. Which lock and Spriest's main spell didn't effect much from ISB. That's big lose.

Guild that progress in BT/HJ or SW. Warlock non crit SB is around 3.5k~4k. Spriest's mind blast or shadow word death is around 2~2.5k. Compare to trinket effect 500~1.2k damage. Yes if you use that trinket you will effect by ISB. And your own DPS will increase a bit. But let's calculate whole run. see how many ISB got consume by trinket, and replace by lock's SB, spriest's mind blast or shadow word death. Raid should do more damage when people use pure spell damage increase trinket.

Comment by 151175

An interesting thing for warriors and paladins:
Its effect can be occurred by dots of Petrified Lichen Guard (https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=25828)

I have used a warrior to test it in Karabor. I pulled about 20 mobs to farm them. The shadow bolt had fired to mobs and increased my dps about 3%.

But it is strange that the proc very low. In record of recount, the dot has ticked 6xx times, the shadow bolt only occured 10 times.

Comment by 50513

This does work with a warrior's rend, and I would assume deep wounds, by the way. Pointless except for maybe getting a laugh, but yeah. (And no, I didn't take it from anyone; no one wanted it and there was no enchanter in the group.)

Comment by Zmoke

MAGES
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It works with Flamestrike. 100% sure.

Comment by 116484

works on rogue poisons.. not that i'm interested in using it lol but I was curious and tested it

Comment by 65062

As a threat trinket for a Prot Pally:

44 dmg = about 26.4 TPS in full threat rotation with Seal of Righteousness.
Proc: 380 dmg per minimum of 15 seconds versus single targets; assume it procs on a single target between 15-30 seconds. Against N targets, it could be estimated to proc more often; every (15->15+15/n) seconds
30 second proc time=13.3 TPS
15 second proc time=26.6 TPS

Thus this trinket provides an approximate maximum of 53 TPS, with a more average output of 40 TPS.

Compared to other Threat Trinkets:
Tome of Fiery Redemption= 79dmg = 47 TPS (A'lar)
Ashtongue Talisman of Zeal ~ 53 TPS (BT)
Hex Shrunken Head= Max 53 TPS (ZA)
Icon of the Silver Crescent= Max 41.2 TPS (badges)

I wouldn't go out of my way to pick this up, though as many paladin tanks will be running H MgT multiple times for the mace, trinket and chest, don't turn this down (or any of the other trinkets that drop off Priestess), especially if you haven't bought the Icon yet.

Comment by 123224

This will proc off the firebombs you drop on the npcs in Halaa. It's kinda funny to watch shadowbolts fly from you and travel the 300 yards to your target while you're flying on the mount.

Comment by 158546

This might be hard to believe, but I was messing around on Netherspite, and cast a Curse of Doom with about 30 ticks of the blue beam. This nifty trinket went off at exactly the right moment, and apparently caused over 20k damage, making a total of over 50k damage to Netherspite in less than a second. I am extremely glad the red beam was up when it went off.

Comment by Kidvid01

Won this on my warrior on a greed roll (all the casters had it already, including our enchanter) and I can confirm that it does in fact work with Rend. Kinda silly, but it seems to proc off EVERY type of periodic effect, regardless of whether or not it deals magical damage. It more than likely works on Deep Wounds as well, although I am currently prot and unable to confirm that.

Comment by alixa

Moonkin math time. Asssuming 5 procs per 6 seconds due to IS ticking every 2 instead of 3.

1) Proc delay = 1/ (.83*0.1) + 15 = 27.04 sec per proc

2.) Average Damage = 380 * 1.1 * 1.05 * 1.13 * (1+0.3*0.5)* (1+0.2*0.5) = 627.39 * .99 = 621.12

3.) DPS = 621.12 / 27.04 = 22.97 DPS

4.) Moonkin damage equivalent 1 dmg = .57 DPS
22.97/0.57 + 44 = 84.29 damage.

Comment by Nummytaterz

Another interesting note on timbal

It is theorized that in real life, he has a mustache. This has not been confirmed, as no known pictures of him exist.
Retrieved from "http://www.wowwiki.com/Timbal"

Comment by 111374

and boomkins, we always have either IS or moonfire up

this was a reply to something on the first page. lol oh well

Comment by Slummish

If this trinket procs and crits, it will give you a charge on the Lightning Capacitor or cause it to proc as well. Just got a free 750+1200 from the two trinkets.

Comment by 71254

Didn't see anything with Mind Flay. Would this trinket happen to work on the procs it has?

tl;dr

Comment by Nummytaterz

Shadai Mind Flay indeed procs this trinket.

Comment by Suisan

Note to spreists: Honestly, it's really not that amazing.

My guildie's toon has this and it procs fairly often, but the point remains it's not as amazing as you'd think it would be. We messed around a little and found that it's actually to more benefit to just grab the Icon and Shrunken Head rather than grind Heroic Magister's praying that you get this to drop (let alone kill the third boss...) because as amazing as the proc might seem to be, it's better (as always) to just stack raw +dmg.

If you're REALLY hurting to get this: do as you will, but it's going to be a lot more profitable to just grab some badges and run ZA in the end...

Comment by 159332

This proc does work with Vimpiric Embrace
Tested it last night. My first test was none crit. The Bolt (the proc) hitted for 400 and i got healed for 100 by vimpiric embrace.

My other test was with crit. I crited ~1100 (dont really remember) and it healed for ~275. so it helps with something.

Comment by 149470

I've used this trinket extensively for PvE since two days after it was available in Live.

For a Shadowpriest, the Shadow Bolts average ~2.3% of your total DPS during a boss fight (based on many reports and experiences). With raid debuffs, the Shadow Bolts routinely crit for over 1000, often around 1058.

Example:

Akil'zon, the Eagle Boss:

Active presence : 3'03'' (99 % of raid)
Dmg. Out to foes : 213,498 (16 %)
DPS : 1166
...
Shadow Bolt (Shadow):
Total: 4,146 (2% of Dmg out to foes)
Hits: 6
Average: 541
Max: 857

DPS from Shadow Bolt procs during 3 minute fight: 22 DPS

That is generally indicative of what I've seen with this trinket throughout most fights.

Comment by 72107

Noone needed this trinket so I took it on my hunter,

it actually does work on serpent sting so not entirely pointless :D

might be good over long boss fights :P

Comment by 176427

how does this compare against the icon for fire mages with a flat crit rate, say 30%?

Comment by asdaa

hai guise :)

Comment by 160410

I have a PvP Warlock on Hydraxis, and I was wondering if this trinket will shoot through a pillar in an arena and stop drinking. Some have told me it does interrupt an enemy player's drinking, while others have not...So if someone can test it for me would be great!

Comment by asdaa

I'm going to kill myself.

Comment by raziele

Procs while feared / stunned / etc.

Comment by 189851

DOes its effet work for concecration?

Comment by Corvan

i love it when an ice mage rolls on this over an afflic lock....

/slap in the face

Staghelm server is so full of noobs...

Comment by Arleg

This will only proc off DoT's that give a debuff from my understanding so thus in order loot order

Aff Lock > SPriest > Fire Mage > any other stupid ppl

Comment by 201964

Forget all the maths and mumbo jumbo that not everyone will be able to understand.

If you are a fire mage, affi lock or shadowpriest, this is the bee's knees of a trinket.

Procs pretty much soon as the cooldown comes back round (15 secs) on my Affi warlock and although the 3rd boss of MT heroic can have a nasty setup, its a damn site easier than trying for Illidan, Hex Lord or Eye of Magtheridon (if you don't farm there with your guild).

It's there for the taking, just be prepared to put in the time. 27 runs for me...... Don't ask. Please just... don't ask lol.

Comment by Golgoth

Funny fact: this trinket procs on Bleeds too. Only tested as a Druid, with Lacerate (Bear), and Pounce/Rip/Rake (Cat). Didn't buff Thorns, to be sure, and effect was the same. I assume it would work on other bleeds, and even poisons.

Comment by Chaserbl

does this works on consecration?

Comment by 99628

All speak of procs, no one speaks of drops. Did 27 runs for it : and counting. No drops. Im thinking it wont drop for me on purpose :p

Comment by 203775

Won this on my first H MgT run as a balance druid ( our aff lock was pretty !@#$ed at me lol)

But any idea if hurricane can proc this (Hurricane shows as a debuff now of xxx dmg per second but it doenst tick over 10 secs its jsut on them when their in it)

Comment by 242461

It crits as well, for around 8xx on my boomkin. It acts as a mini shadow bolt.

Comment by 199230

I was wondering if anyone has tested this with Deathknights yet. They have 2 diseases, UB, and D&D which all do periodic damage. And all of them do fairly small amounts of damage, so this trinket would boost that a TON if it worked.

Comment by Kazinn

Anyone able to tell if this works with Death Knight DOT Abilities?

Comment by joe7dust

I'm disappointed at the lack of commentary from those that used this while leveling in WotLK. I haven't done any testing, but I think this may have a hidden "works only on mobs up to level 70" or some such because I rarely notice it proccing anymore. I was also wondering if Mind Sear can proc it...

On a side note, is there another site similar to alakhazam, thottbot, & wowhead that is gaining popularity? It seems like activity here has dropped off a lot lately. Kinda reminds me of when wowhead shifted to being the best source for general WoW info, and I was left scratching my head wondering why thottbot had started to suck/become inactive.

Comment by joe7dust

Wraths new version of this trinket: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=40373

Comment by Lucid

While it may be useless information now with the expansion and all :

The shadowbolt from this trinket ignores LoS. Which means if you dot up a target and he runs and hides behind something, you can still fire shadowbolts at him through the wall.

Comment by 135399

Strange thing is, This thing may be sold on the Auction house, I just brought one for 8gold and couldn't belive my luck! Looking in my inventory it said it will Bind on Pickup, I paused for a sec with in my mind ''WTF'' I then put it back on the AH at 250g, Lets see what happens eh?

Comment by 159541

Unholy DK tank here, I was using the trink that gives 90 parry rating after falling below 20% health for quite some time, and on a boredom 3 man through heroic MGT I got Timbal's Focusing Crystal from a greed roll, I haven't done any math on this yet, but I noticed between 2 daily runs in heroic COS that before equipping the trinket I averaged 1685~ dps though the duration of a timed run in the instance, and on the 2nd daily run with the trinket equipped i did a solid 2022 dps in yet another timed run. A few factors i have to look at are party setup what classes were giving me what buffs, etc... but a 337 dps difference. is that ballpark to your estimated damage increase?

Comment by 485421

Does this trinket have a level 80 version with similar DoT effect?

Comment by 150870

Was running some of my guild's members through Heroic Magisters' Terrace when this dropped, I decided to take it for testing purposes on my Level 80 Death Knight. Does not seem to proc off of Frost Fever but does off of Blood Plague and Unholy Blight. Unless I was just having a god awful streak of luck with Frost Fever.

Comment by 232341

This probably procs off Seal of Corruption. I was wondering though, does this proc off of 'Righteous Vengeance' talent from the Retribution tree? I would think so.

Comment by 509542

Dropping by to confirm it procs of Serpent Sting. I wanted to see if this would be a viable 60/70 raid soloing trinket, but unfortunately it's not, not even close. It procced a whopping 50 times from 1680 serpent sting ticks.

Comment by 560350

comparison of Timbal's Focusing Crystal with Romulo's Poison Vial:

Timbal's Focusing Crystal's Shadow Bolt
does shadow damage
consistent proc rate (similar to having internal CD)
consistent damage (hits for ~400some on avg on a lvl70) 286-646(crit)
proc has sound and visual effect
procs off DOT spells

Romulo's Poison Vial's Romulo's Poison
does nature damage
random proc rate (some time a whole bunch at once, other times nothing, similar to no internal CD)
random damage (hits for 200 some to 400 some(crit) on a lvl70) ~350some on avg
proc has no sound nor visual effect
procs off physical (melee and ranged)

bottom line: Romulo's Poison Vial adds more overall damage from more frequent procs despite hitting for a smaller amount

both are only useful in long fights or fights with multiple opponents. For short fights or single target opponent go with SP or AP increasing trinket for increasing your DPS

Comment by Allakhazam

Also might be handy for balance druids? with insect swarm and moonfire spammage.

Comment by Allakhazam

a warlock can have 5 dots on a target meaning that with the 10% proc rate and 15 sec hidden CD + spell dmg, this can easily add another 40 dps to a lock. this trinket is obviously designed with locks in mind.
i can understand a spreist taking it but if theres a warlock in the group, you let the lock have it or suffer eternity in hell.

Comment by Allakhazam

honestly once you get out of gruuls and Mag's a warlock shouldn't be in the affliction tree, this trinket will last a shadow priest a lot longer than it will last a warlock, averagely locks should be wearing Icon of the Silver Crescent and Scyer's Bloodgem if not hit capped, if hit capped the lock should be equipping something with decent +spell damage, which makes this trinket STILL usable at that point, but by no means will it give the buff to the locks DPS as it will a shadow priests...

Personal experiance anyway

Taroken @ Eitrigg US

Comment by Allakhazam

Yes it does proc off consecrate, I use it on weaker waves in Hyjal and some BT trash.

Sobre@Twisting Nether US

Comment by Allakhazam

This would be MORE useful for a lock, but spriests can still use it too babies!

Comment by Allakhazam

My friend (A warlock) had this drop for him, and a Spriest took it. WTF! IF THERE IS A LOCK IN THE GROUP THIS IS CLEARLY A WARLOCKS TRINKIT, NOT A SHADOW PRIESTS!

Comment by Allakhazam

Those of you who say this isn't a spriest trinket are mistaken. Actually it's one of the best spriest trinkets in the game. The damage spells a spriest uses are as follows:

VT: Periodic Damage
SW:P: Periodic Damage
Mind Blast: Not Periodic
Mind Flay: Periodic Damage
Depending on the fight, maybe SW:D as well. I happen to have a NE priest, so Starshards gets in the rotation too, and it's periodic damage as well.

Of course, it IS a good lock trinket too, (assuming they're not destro and just sit there spamming shadow bolt), but pretty much any shadow priest that doesn't already have it is going to roll "Need".

Comment by Allakhazam

Does anyone know if this trinket would proc with consecrate?

Comment by Allakhazam

can my firebolt dot be count as peroidic dmg? j/k but clearly is best for a lock

Comment by Allakhazam

2nd best spriest trinket in the game....obviously a spriest/warlock trinket.

Edited, Mar 31st 2008 5:41pm by Beedeei

Comment by Thottbot

I just got it today and im 0/21/40 warlock but when i respecced affli i gotta say..... THIS IS THE BEST! awesome for boss fights puting up coa corruption siphon life unstable immo uber sweet

Comment by Thottbot

Why the hell would it?

Comment by Thottbot

I got it, 3rd boss in heroic MT. He drops one trinket of some kind every kill.

I tried it in a MH/BT raid got some good statistics:

I got 200 procs on 5000 ticks of MF,SWP,VT and starshards. So either it has a cooldown or the real rate is 4%.

I can confirm it does proc on mind flay too. The average damage was 522 and max 833. 728/1064 for crits so yes it can crit and it seems to be affected by SW, misery, shadowform and stuff.

It is shadow damage, named as shadow bolt. The damage does return health and mana from VE/VT too!

My total damage from shadowbolt was 3%. That's just imba!

This is THE shadowpriest trinket. Other classes don't benefit as much as you dont get the boost to damage from shadowform, but still I think Affliction locks will love it too.

Would be interesting to know if it procs some warlock stuff from crits.

Comment by Thottbot

the Trinket has an internal cooldown, and the proc % only affects to a single target (if you have multiple dots up at once, it will hit only one target when it procs, and then it will proc again once the cooldown is up, so no AOE shadow bolts, get that out of your head)

Spriest benefit the most, because the shadow bolts are affected by VE, VT and shadow weaving/missery. it can also crit. i hope this clears up everyones questions.

Comment by Thottbot

Yep my warlock just soiled himself.

Comment by Thottbot

I'm a aflilock (41/0/20) with 4 T4 pieces (1 more dot for corruption & immolate) currently starting on SSC & TK but still farming gruul, mag & kara (bages, badges, badges)

I always put (not in this order) UA, C, SL, CoA & Immo (even DL if I need my health back) on everything that may live for about 1min then spam ISB until renew, and dudes this trinket just rocks

Some warnings:
- watch for threat meters or you will become a target dummy
- beware of your initial rotation and the tank pulling playstyle, an early proc may grab aggro from the tank.
- beware of dotting every tanked mob, if they charge the raid, stun or fear the tank; you are No1 candidate to gain additional reputation with The Floor (Since Soulshatter's CD is 5min, you won't be able to use it on every pull)

I nearly made my raid wipe at Mag aggroing my channeler (the last of the round) from feral tank with the first CoA dot! (now I use CoT there to help the healer save mana and safer tanking)

Now I'm No1 damage dealer in our raid charts from Attumen to The Lurker & LootReaver

BTW I really love the ShadowBolt Machine Gun: SB + Trinket + Trance of Shadows (+ soulshatter in case of crit and wanna live longer)

Did I say if crits? /EvilLaugh

Comment by Thottbot

Got this on my paly tank (had no lock or spriest in the group, so I had been allowed to roll on it)

This thing proc with consecration.

Can generate nice threat when it proc. Specially on multiple mobs pull, You are guaranteed a Proc.

Comment by Thottbot

Well, this dropped last night. Guess who got it. Me, the warlock, or the frost mage who thought that arcane missiles is a DoT?

Sigh... I really wanted that. Sometimes people really piss me off.

Comment by Thottbot

Just been to MgT with my rogue, and this dropped... always wondered if it would trigger with deadly/garrote/rupture... no-one else in the party needed so i asked if i could take it... been trying it out... the effect works on all 3 dot's =] if only it gave AP ^.-

Comment by Thottbot

I have this as a shadowpriest... its badass... every spriest should have it.

It procs all the time, usually for 400-500 damage. I dont know if it can crit or not.

If a rogue is running from you far off and it procs, it will chase them down even if they use CloS and vanish... it will then take them out of stealth when it eventually hits (it moves like a shadowbolt... but seems to have unlimited range)

The following spells have been proven to proc it from use:

-Vampiric Touch
-Shadow Word: Pain
-Mind Flay
-Shadow Fiend (I am not kidding, shadowfiend hits set this off)

Comment by Thottbot

This trinket is so great as SL/SL Warlock in arena.
My arena partner just got it and he couldn't be happier!

It proccs off of all the DoTs + Drain Life, and guess what!
THE PROCC INTERRUPTS FREAKING DRINKING! :D

Comment by Thottbot

has anyone else had a rediculously hard time getting this to drop? I'm an affliction lock and i've ran this instance everyday for 18 days now and still haven't seen it drop. WTF?

Comment by Thottbot

Likewise, have had a difficult time getting the trinket. However, mine has not been for lack of drops. It first dropped on my Aff-Lock's 4th run with fellow guildies. I rolled against a mage named Neving on Arygos. Why did they let a mage roll? He' a muckity-muck in the guild and "it could proc for a mage too." Fine, it could (I left my guild of over half my WoW carreer, however). From then on, I ask before every run, "who will be rolling on the trinket." The Holy priest wanted it for her "backup set." Boomkin's, Druid's and Rogues's all want it, it's a good trinket, with more spell damage than most and that's fine, as long as I know up-front.

The absolute worst though, was last night. I pug'd with four members of the guild "Elite Few," (Zeratune, Valania, Foxinsurance the Lock and don't remember the 4th). When I asked, we agreed that we Lock's would both roll on Timbal's. They were on voice (I have vent and skype, but wasn't invited). After clearing our way to the third boss, where Timbal's drops, they booted me, so Foxinsurance could ninja the trinket. It took several hours and I didn't even get to roll. It was the sleaziest, ninja theft I've ever seen. I hope Elite-Few isn't so big that they don't watch out for low-life's like these in their guild.

Comment by Thottbot

omg notarichman! u should get some kinda master plan going that involves them, summoning ritual, STV arena, and 50 of ur friends.

Comment by Thottbot

just for fun i dotted an enemy running off towards Drek in AV. I got on my mount and a shadow bolt fired backwards out the mount's butt at the guy. a teammate next to me was like "WTF WAS THAT!"

Comment by Thottbot

We have shadow word pain, vampiric touch, mind flay, devouring plague.

We have 40% more shadow damage from are talents. When this procs it works for vampiric embrace and vampiric touch. So it actually helps the whole group. Plus shadow word pain is a long ticking dot :P.

Simply because there not going to benefit from it, and it was made for shadow damage!

Comment by Thottbot

If you click on the description of the dot proc, it will bring up the description of the actual spell cast by the trinket. There, it will tell you the chance is 10 meaning it has a 10% chance of proccing.

Comment by Thottbot

So thottbot lists this as a possible drop from regular, when all other sources say its heroic only drop. Thottbot lies?

Comment by Thottbot

I got this yesterday on my Warlock. The first time it proc-ed I didn't know what the heck it was. All of a sudden I shot what appeared to be a shadow bolt at a mob and thought "what the heck was that". It took a few more times before I finally figured out what was causing it. I should have read this thread before equipping the trinket. This dropped on my first run on Heroic along with the Jaded Crystal Dagger.

Comment by Combustible

While this trinket does proc from Consecrate, it has an internal cooldown, preventing it from being awesome for Paladins.

To confirm, I pulled 90ish mobs in Strat at once with it equipped, cast consecrate 6 times to burn the mobs & recorded 1803 individual ticks. The trinket fired 3 times.

Next pull was a single mob, 9 rank 1 consecrates and again 3 trinket procs.

Conclusion is that its alright as a passive spell power trinket but due to the internal cooldown its better to use an Icon or Smoking Pipe for the on use effect & virtually the same passive +spell.

Comment by emanueol

Is this useful for an arcane mage ? Seems more an affliction warlock with DoTs right ?
I wonder which of Arcane mage spells could trigger this trinket ?

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Timbal's Focusing Crystal

Item Level 115
Binds when picked up
Unique-Equipped

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+38 Intellect

Requires Level 70
Equip: Each time one of your spells deals periodic damage, there is a chance 285 to 475 additional damage will be dealt. (Proc chance: 10%, 15s cooldown)

Sell Price: 7 20 39

Dropped by: Priestess Delrissa

Drop Chance: 17.43%

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