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Comment by 4740

First Boss of BWL
Fairly hard fight because everyone must do things correctly.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Razorgore_the_Untamed for tactics and information on him.

Fal.

Comment by Simman

DI strategy for Alliance was removed as of patch 1.12

Comment by 7049

Razorgore's location is a room filled with 30 large dragon eggs, much like the ones found in UBRS (Leroooooy!, that's right), just that these ones can be destroyed only with Razorgore's help, and in the following you'll see how.

The fight starts by aggroing the controllers on the west platform, killing them and triggering the spawn of adds (they appear in about 40 seconds after that). Kill Grethok and his adds and remember that and this
stage one it's all about managing the number of the adds and destroying the eggs, as quickly as possible, as there is a risk that the numbers of the mobs should raise to an incontrolable situation.

Comment by 7049

On the west end of the room there is an Orb, used to mind control Razorgore through stage 1 of the fight; the ideal situation consists of 2 controllers (paladins -bubble and control- for an alliance raid or anything else suitable, but keep in mind that the controllers must survive during this phase, as the use of Razorogore's abilities is crucial for the success of this stage) taking turns in mind controlling Razorgore.

The mind controlling process can begin even before the kill of Grethok and should be targeted on destroying the eggs (95% of the time), the only case in which you won't use this ability is when it is on cooldown. Then you might want to use the "sleep dragonkin" ability, as the fireball volley usually draws too much aggro on Razorgore, which, as you might guess, must stay alive during phase 1.

The adds that i've been mentioning so far are of 3 types: melee (legionnaires), dragonkin and mages. As you prolly expect, the melee ones (first 2 types) are hard hitting, heavy armoured etc. kind of mobs, while
the mages are more fragile but more dangerous too due to their AOE attacks. The easier way is to keep the adds population mainly consisting of melee and the dps group in your raid should nuke the mages asap; of
course, it's not a piece of cake to tank the melee damagers, but it's preferable to being batch killed by the mages. Healers, heal, tankers, tank and dps-ers, do the dps! It's that simple, isn't it? Now, balance is
everything. There's no need to keep the orcs alive with any cost, of course you must decimate them to keep a controllable population, but only if the mages are being taken care of, as killing them is the highest
priority for you. Tip: mind control the orcs and use them to kill the dragonkins, as they have 400% damage bonus against them. If the dragonkin number is too big, use the druids to sleep a part of them, anytime
required (and it is required most of the stage, in fact). Any other classes that can croud control should do so (sleep, sheep, fear, scream), in an organized fashion and if possible by taking turns, in order to keep a
even threat. During stage 1 also try to kite as much as possible, a horde raid could use the shamans' earth binding totems, everybody can use the hunters' traps etc.

By the end, the chaos is spreading and the numbers of the adds raises insanely, but do not panic, as all of them will go away when the last egg is destroyed. In order to make it to this final moment of stage
1,when there's only 3-4 eggs left, use all your CC abilities and chain fear everything, don't focus on killing, but escaping them.

Phase 2: time to kill Razorgore itself.

Razorgore has, beside his melee attack, a hurting fireball volley and a conflagrate attack that gets you out of your control, burning you and the people around you. This is the reason for dps-ing him mainly ranged
and using more than one tank. The MT is facing Razorgore, the backup tanks are behind him. When the unfortunate conflag event happens, the MT also loses aggro, so a backup tank should take his palce immediately, while the burning ex-MT steps back in order to protect the others of catching fire.
As you might have noticed, there's a lot of fire involved, so it's not a bad idea to bring along some fire resistance equipment, but bear in mind that you'll not leave the "in combat" state between the 2 stages of
the fight, so no gear switching is possible.

Try to take advantage of the large size of the room. In the unfortunate case a healer should die, have a druid rez him in-combat, but as far away as possible from the action. The ressurected healer will be out of
combat and will be able to bring back some of the other fallen comrades.
However, it's best not to come to this, as the unpredicted can interfere and mess the things up.

(Strategy from Ana's Lair)

Comment by kreghx

Razorgore

Setup

We split the raid into 4 teams. Each team occupies one corner. Usually
team A is groups 1 and 2 who go west
team B is groups 3 and 4 who go north
team C is groups 5 and 6 who go east
team D is groups 7 and 8 who go south

Each team gets
1 Hunter
1-2 Warriors
2 Priests/Druids
1 Paladin
1 Warlock
1-2 Rogues
1-2 Mages

A spokesperson for each team on TS announces spawns in the corners.

PHASE I (EGGS)

DPS
A mage or rogue in each team is appointed Main Assist, Mages, Hunters and Rogues in the team will help kill his target. His target are all Orc Mages in the corner. They have to die ASAP until eventually only Legionaires and Dragonkin remain)

Warriors
The warrior(s) in each corner sunder (build aggro on) each dragonkin and legionaire in their corner and kite it between the two platforms (running up the stairs and jumping down in the middle front exploits the no-jump pathing of the mos and gets distance between warrior and his heat. Piercing Howl helps too. Eventually all 55 mobs will be following the warriors and if all goes fine, they wont even take damage.

Healers
The healers in each team keep their warriors always shielded and HoT'ed. Optimal position for them to be is the front corner of the platform on their side. From there they always have a LoS to all team members and especially the warriors roaming their corner currently (usually its 2 tanks you have to keep track of, yours and the one of the team accross the room who follows the same path as your warrior). Also if they get hit, they can easily get some distance by jumping down the edge and running. Priest should use the CTRA aggro-gain announcer to be able to cast fade before the mob hits them.

Paladins
Paladins are the orb controllers. They place themselves below the orb right from the start and destroy eggs as fast as possible. They should not take damage during the egg phase at all. Once all eggs are down, the primary orb user will have a lot of aggro from Razorgore and he will come straight after him. We use that to position razor immediately in a good spot and to bring him to the MT tag-team.

PHASE II

The MT tag team builds aggro on razorgore. Every now and them Razor casts a frontal AoE conflag that temporarily wipes all aggro on the current tank, swithing it to the offtank. Position of the 2 tanks is 90

Comment by 8558

BWL: Razorgore Strategy

:
1. The Pull
2. Kiting &Corner Control
3. Chaos & Razorgore
:
- Each Corner is assigned 2 well-balanced Groups:
- Corner A, Groups 1 & 2
- Corner B, Groups 3 & 4
- Corner C, Groups 5 & 6
- Corner D, Groups 7 & 8
- Odd Groups, High-Aggro Kiters & DPS (Outer Square)
- Even Groups, Low-Aggro Squishies (Inner Square)

1. :
- Entire Raid carefully stacks and buffs up at the Center of the Room.
- Raid pulls the Controller and Guards to the Center.
- OrbController goes in and takes control of Razorgore.
- Raid Focus Fires on Controller, then the 2x Guards.
- Immediately after 2nd Guard drops, Raid breaks to their assigned corners.

2. :
- While Razorgore is destroying the eggs, numerous spawns will appear:<BR>- Blackwing Mages: Kill On Sight.
- Blackwing Legionnaires: Kited by 2x Main Tanks.
- Blackwing Dragonkin: CC'ed by Hunters, Warlocks, and Druids.
- Spawns will continue at 1-2 per corner every 15 secs.
:

Blackwing Legionnaire Kiting:
- 2x MT Warriors, Spam Demoralizing Shout. Figure 8's.

Blackwing Mage DPS:
- Mages, NO AOE. Focus Fire. Crowd Control.
- Rogues, Assigned as MTs of Each Corner.
- Warriors (spares), Focus Fire.

Blackwing Dragonkin CC:
- Hunters, Hunter's Mark & Kite one Dragonkin using Scatter Shot.
-Warlocks, single target fear an unmarked (Hunter's Mark) Dragonkin.
- Druids, hibernate loose (unmarked & unfeared) Dragonkin.

Raid Support:
- Priests, shield & renew players. Fade defensively.
- Shaman, drop Totems. Heal. Kite loose Blackwing Legionnaires.

3. :

- When 4-5 Eggs remain, Orb Controller will use "Fireball Volley."
- Every mob within the instance (40) will immediately aggro Razorgore.
- Fear Rotation to prevent damage on Razorgore. Focus Heals on Razorgore.
- Stun, Frost Nova, Scatter, Frost Trap -- KEEP THEM OFF RAZORGORE!
- Spawns will disappear and Razorgore will heal himself to full.
- OrbController moves towards Corner A and Vanishes.
:
1. Melee Attack & Cleave.
2. Warstomp AOE, Knocks of all melee Aggro.
3. Conflagration frontal cone AOE, unremovable DoT with confusion.
4. Fireball Volley (every 20 secs), LoS 1k dmg fireball. Max range / hide!
:
- MT & OT must be engaged at all times, facing Razorgore to Corner A.
- MT = Front, OT = Back.
- When MT is conflag'ed, OT takes and faces Razorgore back towards corner.
- Similar to Onyxia Phase 1, allow Tanks to build sufficient aggro before DPS.
- While Tanks build aggro, Soulstone & Combat Rez players.
- CONTROLLED RANGED DPS, to kill Razorgore. Very similar to Onyxia

>>Just what my guild used

Comment by Chandrialla

Sometimes it may also be necessary for healers to downrank their spells, in order to avoid the aggro that comes with constant healing. Mileage may vary. Anyone who isn't kiting should have some bandages handy.

Comment by Chaosangel

This is a tough fight, especially for guilds coming right out of Molten Core/ Ruins of AQ (20- man). He has been known to cause many a guild to break up, mostly because people coming from MC are used to generic tank n' spank fights (Golemagg, Gehennas, Ragnaros, etc.) with very few twists or deviations in strategy. This fight is very involved, and everyone is forced to coordinate their actions whether they are kiting, mind- controlling, or even just zerging the mages that spawn.

Comment by 93865

Known issue in TBC, unsure if it has been fixed:

Even after all eggs have been destroyed and Razorgore himself has been killed, the adds will not stop despawning. They will continue to respawn and fill the room into phase three, making it impossible to end the encounter except by wiping. Even so, it is possible to do so, and loot Razorgore and proceed in the instance.

Comment by smimwibbet

what level is this dude?god im getting tired of"haha im a level ?? level u suck and im a dragonn hah!"

Comment by 240859

I just got one question, can u kill him in phase one or what happens if u try that?

Comment by Ant1dote

Ok, i just had a Sinister Strike crit of 10K on him. on level 80... how come? im not seeing anything about him getting more damage recieved?

Comment by 288645

Razorgore is impossible to solo as once you kill him in phase 1 you are instantly killed by an AoE.

Requires a minimum of 2 people

Comment by MMOSimca

Tips for doing BWL with few very people:

Razorgore - Have the tank grab all the adds and tank in the middle of the room. Have the healer stand on top of the tank and pull healing aggro to get the mobs to the tank. Have a dps kill the blackwing mages ONLY (if you only have 3 people, ignore this role). You could probably 2-man this with a Blood DK tanking the mobs and one player on the orb.

Comment by 205601

I did 2man (warrior and dk) razorgore, Warrior tanked mobs and DK handle mindcontrol

Comment by Suzaru

Did a 2 man (Heal Shaman, Fire Mage) today, too!
The Shaman kited the whole adds and i managed the mind control thing...
Razorgore was easy going, mage with decent gear can tank him :D

Comment by 258919

Allow me to give you a tip, if you're running with a small group of 80s.

DO NOT START UNTIL EVERY DPS IN THE GROUP KNOWS HOW TO CONTROL THE BOSS.

I was the controller and got most of the eggs down, but my toon was damaged so I lost the control and still had the debuff. I told our hunter to use the orb, and he did, but he didn't smash the remaining eggs and just stood there. So the mobs killed him and we all died.

Chances are, you will have to switch off control at least once. Make sure every dpser knows what to do.

Also, when your channeling bar is about to die, bring the boss as far away from the orb platform as you can so you won't get attacked by him. Especially if you're a clothie.

Comment by 295146

2-manned today. =]

Prot paladin and ret paladin.

Ret pally controls Razorgore.

Prot pally just kept laying down consecrates on the stairs for incoming aggro while picking everything else up with ranged and melee attacks, using every free moment to run over and grab everything off the boss and come right back.

Good luck.

Comment by 82529

if you kill him before all the dragon eggs are destroyed he will do a heavy explosion kiling everyone regardless of health, though it can be avoided using divine shield, ice block etc (haven't tried anti-magic shell)

Comment by Rizz

2 manned by a frost dps DK, and a holy paladin. Needless to say pally was the one who tanked all adds while I (DK) was MC'ing the boss and destroying eggs.

Comment by Funga

Hey, I was trying to 2 man it via 3.2 PTR and had a problem. I found that me (80 druid) and my friend (80 Pally) could do it fine up until Razorgore first broke free. He then, before I could hit the orb again, Would suicidally explode and kill us both. Anyone have any Idea whats going on?

Comment by nyctric

First defeated by Ascent of Medivh on the 12th of July, 2005.

Comment by darknesscalls

Still bugged for those wondering, despite claims that it has been fixed

Comment by Corenna

To circumvent his AOE-wipe post 3.2, have someone else spam click the orb when it's about to drop, that will allow you to pick him up again before he kills everyone.

Comment by svirve

Succesfully 2-manned last night by a blood DK (tank) and holy paladin (controller).

We got the bug were he would do his doomsday AoE after the first MC twice it would come with a message stating that the Instance was already in progress prompting to Portal to the Graveyard or Joining the instance.

Seems to be random if it happens though since our fourth try went without a care.

Comment by LynMars

We tried this today and discovered part of the problem is that Razorgore must be in combat with someone when the MC breaks, or it'll trigger his AoE instakill. Trouble was, the adds weren't spawning fast enough.

What we did then was when the MC was about to break, a Death Knight threw a Death and Decay at Razorgore's feet so he'd trigger combat while Razorgore was uncontrolled, until MC could be established again. My Priest was also able to hit him with an instacast to trigger combat before he could AoE.

Comment by 15184

We had the same Kaboom bug, combined the two ideas above and it worked perfectly - a second person by the controller spamming the orb, aoe on Razorgore at control end, and we also tryed not killing every single npc as he spawned :P - Worked like a charm

Comment by rzzr

Noticed another bug. After we killed him the adds still kept running into the room. The raid leader said it was because lots of us were not attuned to BWL and we had to leave the instance and get summoned back. I guess this is because, like us, you can be summoned straight into the instance by a lock and you couldn't back in the day. Just wondered if anyone else has seen this "bug"?

Comment by 438347

2 manned with a resto druid 80 and a combat rogue 59 xD, the rogue mind control the boss and the druid tank and heal himself keeping an eye on the rogue.

Comment by 479989

Easy boss to solo as 80 just be sure to even be very fast able to heal you self with crazy much hp, get out of stuns (Fireball Voley).. if you are feral druid then go up fight him alittle, then pull back, use Shadowmeld and make the adds fight him for al ittle when you then want then you can go back kill him..
Be aware, when he dies all the eggs will explode and kill you.. anyway i died

Comment by 552719

2 manned him as arms warrior and feral druid...pretty easy.

Warrior was on orb MCing and druid tanked everything. Druid was 5.2k+ gs and warrior was 4.8k

Druid got low at times but he managed to keep himself up.

Comment by 562703

2 Maned this today with a 80 Rogue whom controlled the dragon, and a 80 Feral Tank who collected adds off of dragon.

Strat.

Druid goes in and get first 3 adds. Then Rogue does not run up to Orb, but runs under it and clicks to control. While rogue is destroying the eggs the druid is collecting adds and running up to each platform then jumping down so the adds have to go around and the druid has time to Hot and heal everything that needs it. Once all eggs are down its gg.

Comment by bonzai10

Still bugged. Im on opening AQ gate quest line and im frequently runing BWL. Been there 3 times recently and 3 times got bugged. Will do couple of runs this week and next on main and alts and see how it goes.

Comment by CalaelenDT

Important to note is that classes that have active pets out will be unable to use the Orb of Domination until they have dismissed their pet.

Went in there with a Hunter, Paladin and myself (Death Knight) and both the Hunter and myself couldn't control the Orb, while the Paladin could. We had no clue what was up and decided to do it some other time as we thought the encounter was bugged. I finally found out the reason by a post on the Orb of Domination page that stated the pet issue, and since that's not a page people will drop by first I figured I'd post it here too for people having the same issue.

Comment by 83450

I've been toying with ideas on how to solo this as a feral druid tank.

I did find something interesting. I would run in and do MC on him from below the platform where Grethok is. Grethok and his guards would attack me (the bear) leaving me to freely crush a few eggs with Razorgore. After the MC ended I used Frenzied Regen to get back to full health, ran to the top of the platform, waited for the mobs to get to me and hopped back to the ground and MC'd again. At this point there were a LOT of extra mobs spawning but virtually all of them were going for me and not Razorgore. I was able to get in almost an entire second MC phase before I was killed. At this point all the mobs despawned except for Grethok and Razorgore. They continued to fight each other.

I wonder if I had a soulstone on if I were to pop up at that point and do start MCing again with Grethok chasing Razorgore around to keep him in combat between MCs, would the extra mobs start spawning again or would I be free to go about soloing the fight?

Has anybody tried this before?

Edit for spelling

Comment by 609114

Still bugged as of 4.0 (but then, what isn't?). Just get the whole raid to leave the instance then go back in after a few minutes.

Comment by Cinnestra

I just two manned this last night with a feral tank (me) and a warlock. This fight requires a minimum of two people to defeat: one to kite the adds, one to control Razorgore.

I was our designated kiter. We tried several times with my prot pally (because, hey, pallies are unkillable right?), and had a ton of problems since I could not pick up all the adds. With the change to consecrate, you can no longer drop it continuously to help you maintain aggro. This resulted in a lot of hits on my partner, who would then get the debuff and be unable to MC Razorgore. Many wipes happened.

On my druid tank, this became no problem at all due to healing aggro. Imp. LOTP is crucial here - I faced the adds tanking backwards when able, using every GCD to trigger the heals from LOTP. For my kiting path, I used the good old figure-8, waiting til the adds all gathered on the platform and then jumped off. This gave me time to shift out and pop a rejuv and regrowth on myself, get back to bear form, and kite again.

Healing aggro was always a problem for druids in this encounter - I remember having to downrank as a resto druid in vanilla WoW and STILL getting threat on random mobs. Well, now it's working to keep all the adds trailing after me. It's amazing how fast they would all zone in on me, almost completely ignoring my partner. He took a few hits, but I could easily run up, swipe, and get the adds off of him.

You could probably do something to maintain healing aggro with a pally, but honestly it was so much easier with my druid.

After Razorgore, I swapped back to my prot pally and we easily downed the rest of BWL.

ETA: looks like they may have fixed the pet problem with the Orb of Domination. My warlock partner had his felguard out on aggressive to help keep the adds off of himself, and had no issues with the orb other than when he had the debuff.

Comment by Nananea

Currently Razorgore is despawning after the first mind control fades (at least on Windrunner US). The fight will not reset even through dying until you reset the instance through the portrait menu. This is with 2 people doing the fight.

Comment by 688710

no luck on bladefist either, resteted once, didnt bother to try 3rd time, laaame as i only need teh red dragonflight for the questline =/

Comment by 164363

he appears to be bugged on live, in that if you try and kill him, he disappears and you're stuck killing adds until the end of your days.

Comment by 703817

quote from blue:

You're absolutely right; a problem was introduced in 4.0.3 where any interruption in the controlling will cause the event to get stuck exactly as you described. Luckily our developers caught onto it pretty quick, and it should hopefully be resolved next time the realm(s) restart. That will either happen as necessary during the cause of the week, or at the very latest, next week during maintenance.

My apologies for any trouble this caused you and your friends. :)

http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=15309284243

Comment by DrakeLord

At level 85, Razorgore can be duo'd with any class + a resto druid. I just did it tonight with a death knight.

The second class works on the mind controlling. Using the mind control orb will allow you to control him for up to 90 seconds. If you get hit once by mobs, the channel lasts 67.5 seconds. If you get hit twice, it lasts 45 seconds. Since the debuff lasts 60 seconds, you can have a 100% uptime with the mind control as long as you only get hit once or not at all.

The resto druid simply stacks Lifebloom on himself and runs back and forth around the room. With Lifebloom rolling, all adds will instantly aggro you from the healing and ignore Razorgore and your partner (ensuring 100% MC uptime). Simply run up the stairs on one side of the room, wait for the melee dragons to almost reach you, jump off, run to the other side of the room, run up the stairs, wait, jump, repeat. The mobs run slightly faster than you, so jumping off the platform gives you some breathing time where you're not being attacked while they do a bit of backtracking down the sides of the platforms. The caster mobs will just fireball you from wherever in the room they are. They're lousy shots, though.
I would imagine Shamans can also do this easily with Riptide and Ancentral Swiftness/Earthbind (keeping completely ahead of all melee damage) and maybe Priests with PW:S and Renew.

Also, it would seem the add bug as been fixed. After breaking all the adds, all mobs fled the room, leaving only Razorgore to be DPS'd down. Piece of cake. I popped Tree of Life, proc'd Nature's Grace, and enjoyed my 1 sec cast Wrath spam. ;)

Keep in mind I had the minor run speed increase at the time. I'm not sure if it's necessary though. I never really dropped below 95% mana with a rolling Lifebloom stack and an occasional Rejuv. I was only ever hit hard when the clump of melee adds caught up to me and all 50 of them smacked me all at once, which dropped me to about 75% health. I Swiftmended just to be safe.

I felt accomplished with the strategy, considering we had just wiped on 5 attempts to DPS the adds and desperately try to stay alive and not have Razorgore die prematurely. =P

We were both in iLvl 329 gear.

Comment by supcat

Seems bugged after 4.0.6.

Tried 3-4 times with a raid today, and he will randomly wipe everyone like he normally will do when you kill him before the eggs are gone.

Edit: I did make a ticket about this after the first raid, and got a response within 10 minutes. The GM cleared all eggs but one for us, and we just had to clear that one to get to P2

Comment by 92984

tried the above, even tried various things like swapping people MCing when it expires and making sure no one did anything for the last 20 seconds of each MC, it still bugged out, evaded and blew us up repeatedly, even soft reset it - there were 4 of us in there, myself another hunter and druid / warrior.

Hope blizzard fix it soon

Comment by 159788

As of 4.0.6 I have confirmed that the boss is doable and will not wipe you after control loss if you grab aggro on him as hes running to the orb.

Comment by deathtrap

It's comforting to know I wasn't the only person wiping on this guy... Gave it about 6 attempts before calling it off. Most times we would try right clicking the orb, a blue beam would appear, but no mindcontrol would happen.. boom. There was also one time that he was standing on the other platform across the room from us when mind control broke, he instantly teleported next to us and... boom.

So yeah, completely frustrating to say the least. Hoping for a fix sometime soon, my level 60 warrior would like some gear... but why fix old content? >.>

Comment by michielseel

Bugges out randomly. Sometimes when channeling ends and sometimes you can't even use the channel device.

4 Whipes in a row:

some at the start and some with like 10 eggs left..

Not worth trying at the moment

Comment by Wytebeard

Possible Solution #2!

When Razorgore has the mindcontrol fall off him, sometimes it causes him to drop out of combat as well, if you try and mind control before putting him back into combat it instant wipes the raid.

The Test? : hit him once. THEN mindcontrol

Please post if this had success with you all as well.

Comment by 789746

My friends and I (a feral druid, an elemental shaman and a blood death knight) decided to troll Blackwing Lair just for kicks, and we were having a problem with this guy evading sometimes as he rushed over to the orb to kill the controller. Naturally, this is a problem when your tank can't taunt him back over and when using the orb again doesn't do anything at all to solve the issue of an instant wipe on wheels careening towards you at high speeds.

Razorgore appears to bug and evade when the controller doesn't have Mind Exhaustion, the debuff that keeps them from using the orb again until it runs out, when he breaks free. Again, this hasn't been confirmed anywhere, and I haven't seen anyone else mention it, but I am almost certain that the lack of the debuff is what causes him to evade. Or at least maintaining the debuff is a workaround to whatever the real issue is. If he does go out of combat like others say he sometimes does (which causes him to evade) then somehow keeping the Mind Exhaustion debuff keeps him in combat when you lose control over him.

So, cut off possession of Razorgore a few seconds before the debuff runs out. Using /dance was a simple way to lose control (plus, bear dancing makes everything better). Our tank was able to easily pick him up after I danced and kept the debuff, and we didn't have the evading problem for the whole fight. The entire thing is a cakewalk without the evade bug.

As a side note, you have control over him for 90 seconds by default; if he doesn't get hit by anything, you definitely have to cut off control early, since the Mind Exhaustion debuff only lasts 60 seconds.

EDIT: Just this past Saturday (nearly a month after I initially wrote this comment) I ran Blackwing Lair with a new group and we could still /dance our way through Razorgore without any problems at all. We didn't try anything else (such as changing the placement of the orb controller, putting a dot on Razorgore, etc) and we were fine.

Edited for great justice and wording problems.

Comment by 777867

In order to avoid the "evade" bug you must kill most of the mobs or he will bug.

A new bug my weekly BWL group ran into last night was that no one was able to click on the orb at all, 3 wipes later we gave up.

Comment by Widowkiller

Me and my warrior friend duo'd this place so I could tame Chromaggus. Man, this boss was a real pain in the rear. During the numerous wipes, I noticed that while controlling Razorgore, combat seems to randomly drop and return a second or two later. It also seemed to follow a pattern of every 20 seconds. I'm not sure if this was because of my warrior partner gathering everyone and never letting them hit me or what, but once I noticed the combat thing, I made sure the channel never broke while out of combat, and we downed it that very try. I can't guarantee that this will work for everyone, but just to be prudent, watch your combat state and make sure you are still in combat when you break the MC channel, and make sure the one not controlling the orb grabs aggro.

Comment by Zyros

As of 4.0.6 encounter is bugged again. Read through all the above comments, adjusted accordingly, boss still wipes everyone after a MC break.

Even with sufficient threat built-up ahead of time, AoE being spammed on his location when he breaks, and someone else spam-clicking the orb as MC breaks - still nothing.

EDIT: Yes, we kept mobs up, too, to try and force everything into combat, no go.

Comment by 616167

For anyone who missed Lenarth's solution on page 2:

Break the mind control a couple of seconds before the debuff falls off. /dance works. He'll then aggro onto someone, instead of bugging out and resetting....and exploding.

All hail Lenarth, for the glory of the ingots!

Comment by Kiruvi

Killed this boss last night; was able to diagnose and solve the evade/explode bug. The root cause is the level of people doing this raid; used to be, there would be 40 level 60's splattered all over the room, so Razorgore would aggro onto something when the Mind Control ends. However, with 80s and 85s all grouped together, diminished aggro radii mean he has nothing to grab onto to keep him into combat, resulting in his standard leaving-combat mechanic. This makes since as this bug first began cropping up around 3.0.
The solution we found was to have a lvl 80 boomkin Druid follow Razorgore around. As soon as the MC ended, they would start spamming Moonfire at the boss. He evades for a few seconds, but then they will start hitting, pulling Razorgore back into combat and allowing you to successfully Mind Control him again. I would assume that any fast, low-damage spammable spell would work the same way- as long as he is put back in combat before reaching the MC orb.
Using this method, we were able to complete 5 full mind control cycles, destroy all the eggs, and finish the boss.
As an added bonus, all adds despawned properly before the final phase.

Comment by Nobbel

How to duo in Cataclysm:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBal4uMCfOk

Comment by Darthdavo

You -HAVE- to break the mindcontrol when you have the debuff on you. Or else he will bug, and everyone will die.

Personally, i break it when i have 5 seconds of the debuff left, then i retake him.

Edit

I haven't tried the tactic in the comment below, next wednesday i will attempt to and see the results.
But the tactics i used worked perfectly, and im not saying its better or not, you decide which you think suits you best.

Edit2

Just tried my method again (On a horde character), i slipped up and let the debuff run out whilst Mind controlling, afterwards the boss ran over to the orb, ignored us all and blew the orb up.
After that, i tried again and canceled it when the 'Mind exaustion' debuff was still up and at 5 seconds. No problems.

Comment by 780906

Like the majority of others, I was also experiencing the bug where Razorgore is unable to be mind-controlled, reaches the orb and explodes. My group (consisted of a Prot Pally, Demo Lock, and feral kitty) tried EVERYTHING for two weeks. We attempted to get around the bug by engaging Razorgore himself by AoEing right after he finished channeling his MC, right before his MC ended, we tried the /dance macro to get him to end the MC early, using Razorgore's sleep ability on the dragonkin to attempt to keep him in combat, and none of it worked.

SAVE YOURSELVES THE REPAIR -- after much testing, we have finally figured out a successful way to get this $%^&*!@ down. The person who will be mind-controlling Razorgore should be BELOW THE PLATFORM, in front of the MC orb. Whoever is picking up adds to refrain them from reaching and attacking the orb can stay at the top of the platform near the orb. (See screenshot provided below.) When the MC drops and all eggs are dead, Razorgore was on the platform and did not blow us up. Piece of cake, had no problems.

I hope this saves you guys some GM tickets, repairs, and irritation. Good luck!

EDIT: We have also found that pets make Razorgore leave combat and explode. If you are attempting the above method, dismiss all pets before initiating the boss. This should ultimately cure the bug with the method I have provided.

CLICK HERE FOR THE PLACEMENT SCREENSHOT!

Comment by Choicecut

We've never had this issue since Cata launch up until now, but we're having this issue, tried every idea listed in the thread, none of them worked. Put them all together, didn't work.

Breaked Mc Early via /dance.
Had myself (non-Mindcontroller) with AoE down and attempting to attack Razorgore at the end of an MC.
Mindcontroller was located at the button of the stairs.
Attacked Razorgore as a form of pulling to ensure he had a player on his threat table.

and so on, anyone else been unable to do it, despite using all these suggested (and apparently functional) fixes?

Comment by 789746

Excellent news, everyone! Razorgore has finally been hotfixed! And I quote:

Blackwing Lair
Razorgore does not evade when attacked immediately after being released from the orb. He should also no longer reset when the orb controller is interrupted.

Rejoice and no longer cower in fear of a potential wipe on a level 60 raid boss.

Comment by 104108

I recently tried this with a total of 3 players, we were a resto shaman, moonkin druid and a protection paladin. Two of us raided BWL back in vanilla, so we tried the kite tactic that we were familiar with, this didn't really work, we also had problems with re-using the orb after the time expired, it would be interrupted right after the click, resulting in a wipe.

After a few unsuccesfull attempts we came up with a foolproof solution.

We used the following tactic:

Kill Grethok the Controller and his buddies.
After this, our paladin and druid positioned themselves under the orb, the resto shaman positioned himself in the middle of the room.
The paladin and druid control Razorgore the Untamed and started on the eggs, alternating turns after the rotation expires. They should stay out of combat.
Meanwhile, the resto shaman keeps healing Razorgore the Untamed (to get the adds off him) and himself while adds spawn, when they stop spawning he focuses healing on himself.
Now it's just about outlasting the damage while the eggs are taken down, after that the adds flee and you can engage Razorgore the Untamed.

When you've succesfully downed Razorgore the Untamed you'll find that the rest of Blackwing Lair is quite pushover and can be done with a tank 'n spank approach. It's still fun to do while reminiscing the old days of WoW Classic :)

Comment by 811107

This guy is not soloable even for a lvl 85! You cant destroy all of the eggs without atleast 2 peoples!

Comment by Mattrip

I went through this a couple of times recently with a couple of my guild members. We had a great time doing it which you can watch here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVVT7gXTqZs. The hunter in our group had tamed Chromaggus the week before, which got a lot of attention once we were back in Stormwind! With 2-3 lvl 85s this is a pretty quick way to grab some old school loot and a good amount of gold.
There's a little guide to Razorgore at the start too.

Comment by gtadem

Just duo'ed this and being an AOE tank, it was VERY easy once I figured out the trick. Have your 2nd person stand in front of the platform and use the orb to control the boss while you kill the controller and his entourage. Have them break eggs near the orb at first. When adds start to spawn, pick them up and bring them to the center of the room. AOE.

It really is that simple. As long as you're actively adding aggro to mobs, new adds that spawn will quickly forget that they came for the boss and/or the mind controller and instead go to you. I was happy to see this work because it's HIGHLY repeatable and I won't have to waste my guildies' armor anymore.

Comment by Winssis

Just soloed this on my mage.
Thanks to:

Now its soloable!
Check video guide http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=180879
Done by hunter and mage.

I had to survive 3 waves of adds, so HobbY's comment above ain't actually true.
What you want is to keep the controller alive just in case.

Comment by 161245

I don't see how people are able to do this, it's physically impossible for me as warrior to do this alone. I don't have engi or anything

Comment by Winssis

You need to have either engineering, or you need to be a goblin. Like me, so I can confirm it works.

Im not actually sure about the mechanics that spawn the adds. Sometimes I had the adds coming before my 2min cd on rocket jump was over. Other time I had to wait like 6mins for the second wave to spawn.

Comment by CYB3RKN1GHT

You do have Warrior heroic leap :D

Comment by Iroared

Couldn't solo it (although maybe I could if I try harder, I do have engineering), but bringing one of my 60 alts on another account makes it quite easy. Pull and kill the controller, position your alt under the orb and control the boss. First couple times I had problems with my alt dying somehow (combat log only showed two 700 hits, not quite enough vs 6k health), perhaps it had something to do with controller getting his MC off. Then just run after the boss pulling adds off of him (divine storm was a great help here, since it healed my alt and aggroed the mobs from across the room) and tabbed every 10 seconds to burn another egg.
For some reason, after all eggs were gone and I killed the boss, adds started spawning again and never stopped, only fixed by running out of the instance and waiting for ~15 minutes.

Comment by Athenia

How I dual box through BWL with my warrior and priest. (ilvls ~353)

Razorgore the Untamed:

The key here is to not waste time with Razorgores "destroy eggs" ability, it has a seven second cooldown so use it as soon as it comes off cooldown. Have the warrior pick up the adds from the orb platform and the priest immediately MC Razorgore and destroy the first egg, then kill the adds and warrior moves to the middle of the room. So long as the warrior is around the middle area (the big square between the two platforms) the adds will ignore the player on the orb and attack the warrior in the middle.
Clear out the eggs on Razors platform first, you want to keep him in the middle of the room with the warrior so the adds can be picked up more easily.
This is multitask heavy: Kill egg, move razor to next egg while "destroy egg" is on cooldown, tab to warrior, pickup/kill adds, tab back to razor to kill next egg, rinse and repeat.

Tip: Make sure you have plenty of time remaining on the MC before killing the adds on the orb platform, if it breaks while he is there he may destroy the orb and wipe the encounter.

Vaelastrasz the Corrupt

Nothing special here, go dps and nuke the hell out of him - with two toons it should not be all that difficult. You simply have to kill him before Burning Adrenaline kills you.

Broodlord Lashlayer

Tank n spank, keep your back to the door so he doesn't knock you into the adds.

Firemaw

Tank n spank, but kill him quickly.

Ebonrok

This guy is tricky. Warrior as tank, priest as dps. Ebonrok will periodically put a debuff on the current target that heals him for 25,000 every time he hits that target - needless to say unless your dps is godly you will have to target swap each time this happens. Here's how to do it.
Have your tank stand with his back to the wall up where Ebonrok patrols, have the priest stand about 30 yards away from the tank - the priest will open up as dps until Ebonrok puts the debuff on the priest, the warrior then taunts but DOES NOT ATTACK Ebonrok - this is important. Ebonrok will go to the warrior and and begin attacking him - all you want to do is pull Ebonrok off the priest long enough for the debuff to drop off. If the priest resumes attacking as soon as Ebonrok is over at the warrior he should surpass the warriors threat and Ebonrok will return to the priest right about the time the debuff is put on the warrior.
In this way Ebonrok will not hit the target with the debuff to heal himself, or no more than a couple of swings.

Keep Power Word:Shield up on tank at all times, Ebonrok won't heal as no damage is done. If you don't have a priest, use the above method.

Flamegor

Tank n spank.

Chromaggus

Another somewhat tricky fight, firstly make sure both toons have ample amounts of Hourglass Sand to remove Brood Affliction: Bronze - if you have been killing the trash from Broodlord Lashlayer up to this point you will have plenty of it.
The key here is never let all five debuffs be up at once, as this will mind control your character - which will then kill your other character, and reset Chromaggus.
Keeping the priest out of LOS of Chromaggus does not appear to work anymore, they will still receive the debuffs. As soon as a debuff comes up that can be removed, remove it - except Brood Affliction: Red, multiple stacks of this makes it pretty much impossible to keep off and keep dps up on your warrior so concentrate on keeping Brood Afflictions: Blue, and Bronze off your toons and keep dpsing - red will eventually start to hurt a lot so kill Chromaggus as soon as possible but ALWAYS make sure to keep those debuffs off.

Nefarian

Tank n spank, use the alcove* to channel all the adds into one place for easy pickup.
Make sure your priest is close to your warrior so he doesn't get smashed by the adds later in the fight, they can still kill clothies fairly quickly - even at 85.

*The alcove. When facing the throne turn 90 degrees to the right and you'll see a sort of short tunnel with rubble in it.

Happy hunting!
Ath.

Comment by spectrefax

It's still bugged. Solo, you cannot use the mind control orb at all.

Comment by 672820

Regardless of what people have said about this, it IS possible to solo right now without being a goblin or engi. I have no idea why some say the mind control orb doesn't work. It did for me.

Using my 85 ret (ilvl 358), I began by disposing of the controller and his friends and quickly taking control of Razorgore from below the platform, standing on the little ledge beneath.

Burst as many eggs as possible before the MC breaks, while making sure Razorgore is nearby when I resume control of my paladin. You then kite him around, spamming AoE's to both heal yourself and dispose of as many adds as possible until it's time to take control of him again.

The trick to succeeding here is to reliably be able to evade Razorgore using the platform and ledge below, causing his health to reset. This doesn't reset the encounter. It can be a little difficult to master this part, but it's very possible.

It's vital to pick your moments as to when you should go breaking more eggs, I always made sure both Razorgore and myself were on full, or close to full health and preferably there would be few adds around too.
I saved bubble to break the conflag when things looked to be getting a bit hairy, whether pvp trinket would also work I don't know, I didn't test it.

Once all the eggs were dealt with, it was fairly trivial to burn Razorgore down and collect my level 60 purples.

All in all it took about 15-20 mins to complete.

Comment by 672820

EDIT: As promised here's a video I made tonight of a my paladin soloing Razorgore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrfapltZ-K0

It's not really hard to figure it out. The "platform" is the podium-like structure with the mind control orb. The "little ledge below" is exactly that, a slightly raised lip at the front of the mind control orb platform.
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I'll try to explain a little better:

I'm using Seal of Righteousness and Righteous Fury.

The Pull - Run in and head up the near ramp towards the MC orb, clear the mobs from the platform and use the orb, Razorgore will probably be pretty close at this point.

MC phase - I usually jump off the front of the MC orb platform, onto the kerb in front. I may choose to use Holy Radiance or Consecration just prior to clicking the orb if necessary (it rarely is). Run around bursting eggs, generally I'll destroy the nearest one to me and then head to the far end of the room until the MC timer is nearly up. At this point I'll start heading back towards the MC orb, continuing to pop eggs on the way.

Post-MC phase - I seem to have trouble manually breaking MC, whether it's a bug, or my UI I don't know. Anyway, once it's broken, I'll launch into a flurry of aoe in order to thin out the adds and "hopefully" evade Razorgore...

The best I can explain it is as follows.

Run up one of the ramps to the MC orb and he'll follow, jump off the front and step onto the ledge below while spamming Divine Storm, Holy Wrath and whatever else you feel like using. If you time it right he'll evade, so will some adds most likely. The basic rules of evading mobs apply here, if you try to hit him when he can't hit you he'll evade. Divine storm from underneath him, hitting a couple of adds that have his attention seems to work. He will figure out how to reach you and run down the ramp a lot of the time, just keep trying.

It's also possible to do by being on top of the MC platform while he is on the floor below. Using Judgement to gain some distance from him while he's stopped to cast, he will sometimes get stuck just at the corner of the platform, on the ground, near the ramps at either side. When trying to evade him you have to make sure your attacks hit him so he "notices" he can't hit you in return and resets. I haven't got either evade technique down to a science yet, but on my latest kill, he didn't come close to dying so I'm getting better at it.

Once his health has reset, adds are under control and your MC debuff is gone, repeat the process until all the eggs are done.

Bubbling the conflag isn't required to complete it, it's just a bit of insurance in case I have trouble resetting his health, or adds are starting to get too much. I'm fairly sure other classes will be capable of using this tactic, providing they can heal themselves well enough.

I've managed to clear the entire instance solo for three weeks running now, since discovering this tactic.

Good Luck.

Comment by 710718

Conflagrate is what will get him kill in this fight. He constantly conflagrated me to the point that I was stunned for so long that he died to the adds. This is what always wipes me.

Comment by 772490

Razorgore can be two-manned, if you chose your classes carefully. Myself on a Smite-spec Disc Priest, and a Blood Death Knight were able to complete this event.

You do not have to kill the adds. If you are a healer, you can heal Razorgore through the damage the adds cause him (PW:S works on him), while grabbing aggro from the Mind Controller using AoE abilities, and then kiting the adds off the platform (Holy Nova, Consecrate, Hurricane, etc). If the mind controller gets the debuff, you can easily take over the orb, while they round up and kill adds (This requires an AoE class, or another healer class which has AoE capabilities. Rogues are capable of doing this easily, if they have the Glyph of Fan of Knives).

Rinse and repeat. Once all of the eggs are destroyed, be ready to AoE down any remaining adds, before going all out on the boss.

This method does have the highest percent for glitching once Razorgore is dead, from my experience. However, the adds will not (or should not), follow you into the next room. If you trust the person you're with, keep it on Group Loot, so that you can loot on the run. Otherwise, run completely out of the instance (ensure that any dead persons pop their corpses and res outside), and take a fifteen minute break.

Classes which have pets will find that they are unable to click the orb of control. There is no work-around for this glitch, except for dismissing your pet until Razorgore is killable.

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Comment by lukethiel

I had to disable all my addons to successfully do this fight as of Shadowlands. I wasn't getting his abilities when I Mindcontrolled him.

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